Hawaii Ban Testimonial
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Why dose everyone think it is a ban???
They are doing an environment review on the trades collection process. They haven't stopped the collection as we all still see Hawaii fish being brought in. The judges ruling was that no new licenses be issued until the three year review is completed.
Everyone who has a license before the "ban" can still collect fish.
We have all just bought into the hype and retailers are taking advantage of everyone with these outrageous prices.
If they banned everyone there would have been lawsuits over it as a license cost money. This is also people's livelihood.
And the irony of it all is that ornamental fish collection is the smallest part of Hawaii's fishing. While commercial fishing catches an annual 2 million pounds of fish. With who knows how many by catch. The group that brought the ban are commercial fishermen which is my favorite part.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...d-in-hawaii-without-environmental-review/amp/
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/science-blog/how-many-fish-are-being-caught-reefs-near-shores-hawaii
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They are doing an environment review on the trades collection process. They haven't stopped the collection as we all still see Hawaii fish being brought in. The judges ruling was that no new licenses be issued until the three year review is completed.
Everyone who has a license before the "ban" can still collect fish.
We have all just bought into the hype and retailers are taking advantage of everyone with these outrageous prices.
If they banned everyone there would have been lawsuits over it as a license cost money. This is also people's livelihood.
And the irony of it all is that ornamental fish collection is the smallest part of Hawaii's fishing. While commercial fishing catches an annual 2 million pounds of fish. With who knows how many by catch. The group that brought the ban are commercial fishermen which is my favorite part.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...d-in-hawaii-without-environmental-review/amp/
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/science-blog/how-many-fish-are-being-caught-reefs-near-shores-hawaii
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Yellow Tangs, Achilles Tangs, flame angels, blonde naso Tangs. These are the ones I have seen yesterday at the LFS. You can just watch Harrys live sales and see most of the "Hawaiian" fish. But there were a ton of restrictions on how they were caught before this.
For instance, The yellow tang is found in the Northwest and Central Pacific ocean from southwest Japan to Marianna Islands, Marshall Islands, Marcus Island, Wake Island and Hawai’i. From Allen et al.
So why do we only pay as if they are from Hawaii?
But with supply and demand of course they are going to tell you the worst case scenario
Even aquacultured yellow Tangs have gotten in on the price jacking.
Just think of the Indonesia ban where we saw no coral being brought in and you couldn't find anything.. but now they can bring in coral by the boat load, but prices remain the same.
End of rant lol
sorry 
https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=2304
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For instance, The yellow tang is found in the Northwest and Central Pacific ocean from southwest Japan to Marianna Islands, Marshall Islands, Marcus Island, Wake Island and Hawai’i. From Allen et al.
So why do we only pay as if they are from Hawaii?
But with supply and demand of course they are going to tell you the worst case scenario
Even aquacultured yellow Tangs have gotten in on the price jacking.
Just think of the Indonesia ban where we saw no coral being brought in and you couldn't find anything.. but now they can bring in coral by the boat load, but prices remain the same.
End of rant lol
sorry 
https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=2304
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I’ve been looking for a potters Angel and none of the 5-6 shops I go to have been able to order them. They have not been on the lists. I think it’s more likely that the US suppliers OVER COLLECTED knowing the ban was coming, and built up a stockpile of yellow tangs etc (knowing the price would skyrocket) and they’ve been slowly sending them over. Cuz I have still seen some yellow tangs coming into shops, but it has been fewer and fewer. And NO ONE can get me a potters Angel 🤷🏻♂️ I’m not saying you’re wrong but I would think if shops could still get these fish from suppliers they would be ordering them…
I’ve been looking for a potters Angel and none of the 5-6 shops I go to have been able to order them. They have not been on the lists. I think it’s more likely that the US suppliers OVER COLLECTED knowing the ban was coming, and built up a stockpile of yellow tangs etc (knowing the price would skyrocket) and they’ve been slowly sending them over. Cuz I have still seen some yellow tangs coming into shops, but it has been fewer and fewer. And NO ONE can get me a potters Angel 
I’m not saying you’re wrong but I would think if shops could still get these fish from suppliers they would be ordering them…
I’m not saying you’re wrong but I would think if shops could still get these fish from suppliers they would be ordering them…
So most of them have expired now.
So only the pepe who could afford the long last license still have them.
But who knows in the end
I know the feeling of the potter angel man. But I never really saw them before the ban when I lived in SD.
Would love two of them to try get them to spawn.
This was also a very fun read about the increase of yellow Tang's I'm the Hawaiian islands View attachment 6_FISHLIFE_YellowTang.pdf
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Yellow Tangs, Achilles Tangs, flame angels, blonde naso Tangs. These are the ones I have seen yesterday at the LFS. You can just watch Harrys live sales and see most of the "Hawaiian" fish. But there were a ton of restrictions on how they were caught before this.
For instance, The yellow tang is found in the Northwest and Central Pacific ocean from southwest Japan to Marianna Islands, Marshall Islands, Marcus Island, Wake Island and Hawai’i. From Allen et al.
So why do we only pay as if they are from Hawaii?
But with supply and demand of course they are going to tell you the worst case scenario
Even aquacultured yellow Tangs have gotten in on the price jacking.
Just think of the Indonesia ban where we saw no coral being brought in and you couldn't find anything.. but now they can bring in coral by the boat load, but prices remain the same.
End of rant lol sorry
https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=2304
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For instance, The yellow tang is found in the Northwest and Central Pacific ocean from southwest Japan to Marianna Islands, Marshall Islands, Marcus Island, Wake Island and Hawai’i. From Allen et al.
So why do we only pay as if they are from Hawaii?
But with supply and demand of course they are going to tell you the worst case scenario
Even aquacultured yellow Tangs have gotten in on the price jacking.
Just think of the Indonesia ban where we saw no coral being brought in and you couldn't find anything.. but now they can bring in coral by the boat load, but prices remain the same.
End of rant lol
sorry https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=2304
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have you seen a potters angel lately? a potters leopard wrasse? a tinkers butterfly? bandit angel? red tailed tamarin wrasse? flame wrasse?
yellow tangs do seem to still appear, i'm not sure if somebody is finding some in the surrounding areas like tahiti or marshall islands, or they're just catching them and illegally exporting them from hawaii, or they just stockpiled them before the ban knowing the price would go up
Oh yes I agree with you that no, these fish are not endemic to Hawaii as I said earlier, but we are still paying a premium for them as if they only come from the Hawaiian islands.
I haven't seen a potter angel as I also said as I have been looking for 2 cause I want to spawn them.
But in reality I am not someone who is importing fish and am just reading articles off the internet as we all are. I'm also talking with people and trying to figure it all out. Wondering why we have to pay so much for fish that can be bought at fish market for a fraction of the price.
Here are some flame wrasse I found for sale. Not sure if these are the ones your talking about.
The other ones I am not sure as anything with a high price tag I normally can't afford and just love to see in other tanks
But you bring up a great point that they might have stocked up when hearing this might have happened.
Also great knowledge on Hawaiian fish!
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I haven't seen a potter angel as I also said
as I have been looking for 2 cause I want to spawn them. But in reality I am not someone who is importing fish and am just reading articles off the internet as we all are. I'm also talking with people and trying to figure it all out. Wondering why we have to pay so much for fish that can be bought at fish market for a fraction of the price.
Here are some flame wrasse I found for sale. Not sure if these are the ones your talking about.
The other ones I am not sure as anything with a high price tag I normally can't afford and just love to see in other tanks
But you bring up a great point that they might have stocked up when hearing this might have happened.
Also great knowledge on Hawaiian fish!
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also having my family send emails as they have fish tanks and would love to know this 
Oh yes I agree with you that no, these fish are not endemic to Hawaii as I said earlier, but we are still paying a premium for them as if they only come from the Hawaiian islands.
I haven't seen a potter angel as I also said as I have been looking for 2 cause I want to spawn them.
But in reality I am not someone who is importing fish and am just reading articles off the internet as we all are. I'm also talking with people and trying to figure it all out. Wondering why we have to pay so much for fish that can be bought at fish market for a fraction of the price.
Here are some flame wrasse I found for sale. Not sure if these are the ones your talking about.
The other ones I am not sure as anything with a high price tag I normally can't afford and just love to see in other tanks
But you bring up a great point that they might have stocked up when hearing this might have happened.
Also great knowledge on Hawaiian fish!
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I haven't seen a potter angel as I also said
as I have been looking for 2 cause I want to spawn them.But in reality I am not someone who is importing fish and am just reading articles off the internet as we all are. I'm also talking with people and trying to figure it all out. Wondering why we have to pay so much for fish that can be bought at fish market for a fraction of the price.
Here are some flame wrasse I found for sale. Not sure if these are the ones your talking about.
The other ones I am not sure as anything with a high price tag I normally can't afford and just love to see in other tanks
But you bring up a great point that they might have stocked up when hearing this might have happened.
Also great knowledge on Hawaiian fish!
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i'm just glad i got my flame wrasse from them last summer for $150
https://fb.watch/6i51OBd6yu/
that guy stocked up on potters angels as the ban hit and is hoping to aquaculture them, hopefully ora/biota is on it too
that guy stocked up on potters angels as the ban hit and is hoping to aquaculture them, hopefully ora/biota is on it too
just kidding
