I will QT your fish

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Hummm. Thought it was for free or whatever one wanted to donate? Now it’s retail ish?
Yes, but I'm not buying fish for you. If you bring me fish or have them delivered it is free.

I will not undercut LFS by selling fish at wholesale. I am not in the business of selling fish. I am not a LFS. I am a guy trying to help people in the hobby.

Stop hating. Grow up.
 

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Yes, but I'm not buying fish for you. If you bring me fish or have them delivered it is free.

I will not undercut LFS by selling fish at wholesale. I am not in the business of selling fish. I am not a LFS. I am a guy trying to help people in the hobby.

Stop hating. Grow up.
I’m hating for seeing your sneaky way of coming up? What happens to the extra fish? Is it donated? You’ve already been rude multiple times on this post, and lack accountability. You are obviously doing something for a gain. Don’t lie. It’s fine, be upfront. You should be compensated if you are doing a service.
 

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I’m hating for seeing your sneaky way of coming up? What happens to the extra fish? Is it donated? You’ve already been rude multiple times on this post, and lack accountability. You are obviously doing something for a gain. Don’t lie. It’s fine, be upfront. You should be compensated if you are doing a service.

Please use Elliot at Marine Collectors for your QT service.

I'm not in business. I'm developing an idea. My initial post said it outright. It may turn into a business, I don't know. I expect it won't. As the idea develops it gets better. I haven't lied to anyone. I never said I would sell people fish at wholesale prices. I said I have access to LA wholesale and would help people acquire fish.

Upon thinking about it I decided I would NOT undercut the local LFS. I came up with a way to do that. I think it is fair.

Quite frankly, I am a real person. Sometimes I am rude. Sometimes my sense of humor rubs people the wrong way. Get over yourself already. You don't have the RIGHT to do "business" with me. Quite simply.

As for calling me a lair. Those are strong words to put in print.

As for doing something for gain? Please, think again. You have no idea the costs involved in doing this. My only gain is the pleasure in knowing that I have helped people get a good healthy fish. You are coming very close to making it not worth it. So keep going on your attack. I can spend my money on my own fish and not do this. (Yep, that was rude.)

Enough of this flame war. This is my last post to you.
 

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Please use Elliot at Marine Collectors for your QT service.

I'm not in business. I'm developing an idea. My initial post said it outright. It may turn into a business, I don't know. I expect it won't. As the idea develops it gets better. I haven't lied to anyone. I never said I would sell people fish at wholesale prices. I said I have access to LA wholesale and would help people acquire fish.

Upon thinking about it I decided I would NOT undercut the local LFS. I came up with a way to do that. I think it is fair.

Quite frankly, I am a real person. Sometimes I am rude. Sometimes my sense of humor rubs people the wrong way. Get over yourself already. You don't have the RIGHT to do "business" with me. Quite simply.

As for calling me a lair. Those are strong words to put in print.

As for doing something for gain? Please, think again. You have no idea the costs involved in doing this. My only gain is the pleasure in knowing that I have helped people get a good healthy fish. You are coming very close to making it not worth it. So keep going on your attack. I can spend my money on my own fish and not do this. (Yep, that was rude.)

Enough of this flame war. This is my last post to you.
Yes, I am out of line and have zero idea or what things take.
 

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You have two options:

1. You can buy it at your LFS and bring it to me here in Yucca Valley. If it does not make it through QT then please remember you can not hold me responsible for replacing it. you could also buy the fish online and have it delivered here to me in Yucca Valley.

2. You can buy two fish through me at the wholesale cost, usually about the same as retail or slightly more. You can then pick the best one of the two after QT (if you choose to have me deliver it to you I will pick the better of the two for you) and I get to sell the other to cover the cost of QT. If one does not make it you get the one that does.
I am pretty confident that wholesale price and retail price are not even close.
Please use Elliot at Marine Collectors for your QT service.

I'm not in business. I'm developing an idea. My initial post said it outright. It may turn into a business, I don't know. I expect it won't. As the idea develops it gets better. I haven't lied to anyone. I never said I would sell people fish at wholesale prices. I said I have access to LA wholesale and would help people acquire fish.

Upon thinking about it I decided I would NOT undercut the local LFS. I came up with a way to do that. I think it is fair.

Quite frankly, I am a real person. Sometimes I am rude. Sometimes my sense of humor rubs people the wrong way. Get over yourself already. You don't have the RIGHT to do "business" with me. Quite simply.

As for calling me a lair. Those are strong words to put in print.

As for doing something for gain? Please, think again. You have no idea the costs involved in doing this. My only gain is the pleasure in knowing that I have helped people get a good healthy fish. You are coming very close to making it not worth it. So keep going on your attack. I can spend my money on my own fish and not do this. (Yep, that was rude.)

Enough of this flame war. This is my last post to you.
I do my best to stay out of these, but if you think you are the only person on this form who quarantines their fish you are wrong. I have been quarantining fish for many years, and it does get expensive quickly. I personally see a lot of red flags in this post.
 

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I understand the thought process and if he is confident enough in his ability to QT fish he stands to make a little money to cover cost of his operation off both fish surviving. If all works out the client gets a QT'd fish at retail price and he's able to sell another QT'd fish at retail. If not you have 2x the chances of getting the fish you paid for.

I'd imagine a hard part about running a QT fish service is it's based 100% off trust. The client is not there for the process and needs to have 100% faith in your abilities and your word that did what you promised. That's where you need to improve based of the few interactions in this thread. You mentioned delivery options, then seemed a little annoyed when people started shooting out their areas. Those types of interactions remove all trust in your service.
 

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I am pretty confident that wholesale price and retail price are not even close.

I do my best to stay out of these, but if you think you are the only person on this form who quarantines their fish you are wrong. I have been quarantining fish for many years, and it does get expensive quickly. I personally see a lot of red flags in this post.
I guess I didn't understand your post.
You are correct the wholesale and retail cost of fish are not even close. And your point is?

Why would you think that I was the only person on this forum that QT's fish? I'd bet there are hundreds of people on this forum that QT fish. Probably a lot of them that do it a lot better then me.
Again, and what is your point?

What is this, the haters got hate club?

Go try and do something constructive.
 
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I understand the thought process and if he is confident enough in his ability to QT fish he stands to make a little money to cover cost of his operation off both fish surviving. If all works out the client gets a QT'd fish at retail price and he's able to sell another QT'd fish at retail. If not you have 2x the chances of getting the fish you paid for.

I'd imagine a hard part about running a QT fish service is it's based 100% off trust. The client is not there for the process and needs to have 100% faith in your abilities and your word that did what you promised. That's where you need to improve based of the few interactions in this thread. You mentioned delivery options, then seemed a little annoyed when people started shooting out their areas. Those types of interactions remove all trust in your service.
I made a joke, albeit a bad one, about a person pointing out his location, that I did not realize I had asked for a location. I try to take that to private chats for privacy reasons, so i did not relize that I asked in public. I've tried to correct that both publicly and privately. I believe that happened once. I don't think I was annoyed with anyone, but please help me understand who I need to apologize too about delivering.

I believe I said "I may be willing to deliver" and "I am considering" delivery. I don't think I ever outlined delivery options, except to ask if a trip to Irvine could cover my gas and be when there was no traffic. In private chats I have amended the delivery fee to included a look at the persons tank.
 
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Its commendable for you to offer this service, as many don't have the time and/or space to properly do so.

This probably isn't a good idea IMHO. Too many unknowns, reefers will get upset if the fish doesn't make it through QT, or say the off chance a disease slips through and wipes out the rest of their stock.
 

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Its commendable for you to offer this service, as many don't have the time and/or space to properly do so.

This probably isn't a good idea IMHO. Too many unknowns, reefers will get upset if the fish doesn't make it through QT, or say the off chance a disease slips through and wipes out the rest of their stock.
You are probably right, but I am a gluten for punishment.

You see the abuse I take just for proposing the idea. And I'm going to do it all on a hand shake. No written contracts, no protection from lawsuits. Just a guy trying to help the community of reefers.

I have faith in people. And I believe that my God will take care of me.
 

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So here is the bottom line:

If you want someone to QT your fish for you you really have 5 options (maybe more, but let's try to keep it a bit simple)

1. Go to Elliot at Marine Collectors, who is VERY good at doing this. He is the BEST of the BEST. Probably no one better in the industry. A proven track record. i would recommend him, hands down every day of the week. Twice on Sunday. He should be your first choice. This is his primary business. He has a dedicated facility and works at it almost 24 hours a day. You can check the prices on the Marine Collectors website to see what is costs to get a fish there.

2. Find someone else that works like Elliot.

3. Have a friend do it for you. Maybe through him/her a few bucks for fish food and meds. You'll have to buy the fish somewhere at retail. maybe buy two fish at retail, so you have a backup and sell one to cover your costs for double retail, like Elliot's prices.

4. Buy a fish somewhere and bring it to me. Maybe through me a few bucks for fish food and meds.

5. Buy two fish from my wholesaler, through me and pay somewhere about retail and have a backup insurance policy on your fish. Maybe through me a few bucks for fish food and meds.

Pick your option. It's your level of risk tolerance. It's your money. In the end you get a fish, or not in some cases. Or dump and pray. The real question is do you want a pet for 10 years or a fish to look at for the next few months.

I doesn't matter to me I make my money printing stickers 3 days a month. Then I watch my fish the other 27 days a month.
 

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I've been refining my QT fish acquisition practice. So far no one has opted to buy a fish and have it delivered to me or bring me a fish that they have acquired from an LFS. Everyone that has worked with me has opted to go through me and acquire fish through me.

I've decided that it will be easier to give the total price for a fish you request fully QT'd. I'm going to assume all the risk. I've gotten very good at the process now.

I am now offering a 7 day guarantee with every fish I QT.

I will soon be able to offer a 90 day limited guarantee provided certain conditions are met.

If you are interested in having fish QT'd at around the cost of retail pleas feel free to reach out to me.

I do have limited space and as this grows we'll see if it turns into some form of viable business. For now it's just fun!

I am offering both pickup for free and delivery at a mileage cost. delivery would only be cost effective of you get multiple fish done at a time.

I will be starting to QT inverts te end of this month and always have fully quarantined invertebrates available.
 

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no he gets fish wholesale so you pay the same price as if you bought it from LFS . He does the work.
Yep! Coral Kid you got it perfectly. My work is free, not the fish. I'm doing everything I can to bring QT'd fish to people that want that service at the same-ish price as LFS with out under cutting the LFSs.

The advantage of the LFS is you get your fish today and you have a place you can get dry goods and advice and everything you need. We wouldn't be anywhere in this hobby without the LFS.
 

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That makes it not a free service. That means there Is profits and or secondary fish gain. As stated by other’s, wholesale price is not retail price.
Here is a stick. Please beat this dead horse again. Over and over again.

Will I make money? Maybe? Who cares? Apparently only you.

Do I deserve to make money, if I can? YES.

Is it absolutely free, no, of course not. I'm not going to buy fish for people. I am sure that anyone with any kind of reasonable sense of decency wouldn't expect that I would.

@joseserrano Go try to torment someone else. You can stoke the trash talk you are spewing on some other thread, I am sure. I reject your foul effort to bring me and my ideas to try to help others.

In the words of Warf: "Be GONE"
 

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Here is a stick. Please beat this dead horse again. Over and over again.

Will I make money? Maybe? Who cares? Apparently only you.

Do I deserve to make money, if I can? YES.

Is it absolutely free, no, of course not. I'm not going to buy fish for people. I am sure that anyone with any kind of reasonable sense of decency wouldn't expect that I would.

@joseserrano Go try to torment someone else. You can stoke the trash talk you are spewing on some other thread, I am sure. I reject your foul effort to bring me and my ideas to try to help others.

In the words of Warf: "Be GONE"
Torment? Low tolerance to be held to your word. You acted as if you were helping and now are saying you should be making a profit (as I mentioned earlier), it’s the deceptive nature of what you presented but not what you intended what I’m calling out. This is not complicated or rocket science.
 

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Torment? Low tolerance to be held to your word. You acted as if you were helping and now are saying you should be making a profit (as I mentioned earlier), it’s the deceptive nature of what you presented but not what you intended what I’m calling out. This is not complicated or rocket science.

Nothing from my original post has changed. If someone brought me a fish I would QT it for FREE.

It has yet to work out that way. I will not drive for free, that is not QTing fish. I won't acquire fish for people for free, that is not QTing fish.

So far I have honored my word completely. I have been completely transparent as to my process. I have not switched my process on any person requesting my service. No one has posted that I have switched my process or asked for any money that was not agreed to before any process was started. Do I have the right to change my process to make it better with notice? I think so. This process has evolved.

You have read my posts in real time as I have developed a concept. It has evolved for the benifit of everyone. To expect that a concept will not evolve for everyone's benefit is childish and naive. You're not protecting anyone you are trying to tear down something that can benefit the community. I don't know why, but your a loser somewhere and you just want everyone around you to join you in your misery.

I may over time develop a business model, if this works out. I don't expect it will. I may help someone else run it as a business. If so I need to figure out how they would make money doing it. That was in my original post.

Why don't you join me? Let's figure out how to make this a win for you as well? We will build whatever it is you lost along the way into something you can be proud of.
 

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Nothing from my original post has changed. If someone brought me a fish I would QT it for FREE.

It has yet to work out that way. I will not drive for free, that is not QTing fish. I won't acquire fish for people for free, that is not QTing fish.

So far I have honored my word completely. I have been completely transparent as to my process. I have not switched my process on any person requesting my service. No one has posted that I have switched my process or asked for any money that was not agreed to before any process was started. Do I have the right to change my process to make it better with notice? I think so. This process has evolved.

You have read my posts in real time as I have developed a concept. It has evolved for the benifit of everyone. To expect that a concept will not evolve for everyone's benefit is childish and naive. You're not protecting anyone you are trying to tear down something that can benefit the community. I don't know why, but your a loser somewhere and you just want everyone around you to join you in your misery.

I may over time develop a business model, if this works out. I don't expect it will. I may help someone else run it as a business. If so I need to figure out how they would make money doing it. That was in my original post.

Why don't you join me? Let's figure out how to make this a win for you as well? We will build whatever it is you lost along the way into something you can be proud of.
I seems you feel alone being so high and mighty all the time. How thin is the air up there? I have been nothing but but accurate throughout. It appears it is a business already, I suggest looking into sponsorship.
 

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