I have a newly proposed TTM method idea that should work for Velvet, Ich, Flukes, etc... from what I have read about velvet, and all the other stickies on R2R so far.
I came across these two videos on YouTube from a guy running the TTM on his new clowns. His TTM system seems really easy and effective. Take a look:
How To Do a Quarantine Water Change - Tank Transfer Method:
My New Clownfish And Quarantine Setup. He is showing his TTM set up in detail:
Basically for keeping the temp stable and not needing to use a bunch of heaters, he is using a larger tank for holding the heater, and simply resting the smaller tanks in it and swapping them out as needed.
The idea behind TTM is to outrun the life cycle of Ich. Velvet has a life cycle very similar to Ich, just much faster. TTM is a known effective method for curing a fish from Ich. By combining it with the other meds, I'm hoping to have a simple and effective solution for treating essentially every major fish parasite/disease. I personally don't mind making a fairly large batch of salt water to do this.
So after some more reading and research; I wanted to see everyone's opinion on if you think this will work for all the major parasites/diseases, especially velvet. I really am trying to find a good way around using copper of some sort as you can tell haha.
NEW QT Quarantine Tank / TTM Tank Transfer Method procedure:
Day 1 - Methylene Blue 30 min bath, Fish in tank.
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 24-36 hours, and add API General Cure to TTM QT (API GC suggested dose is every 48 hours, Humblefish recommended 5-7 days)
Day 3 - 2nd transfer at 24-36 hours, Fresh Water dip, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 4 - 3rd transfer at 24-36 hours, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 5 - 4th transfer at 24-36 hours, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 6 - 5th transfer at 24-36 hours, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 7 - 6th transfer at 24-36 hours, add API General Cure to TTM QT (API GC suggested dose is every 48 hours, Humblefish recommended 5-7 days)
Day 8 - 7th transfer at 24-36 hours, add Seachem Prime (Velvet should be gone)
Day 9 - Nothing, check ammonia
Day 10 - 8th transfer at 48 hours, add Seachem Prime
Day 11 - Nothing, check ammonia
Day 12 - 9th transfer at 48 hours, add Seachem Prime
Day 13 - Nothing, check ammonia
Day 14 - 10th transfer a 48 hours, move to 20G Long QT
Day 15 to 29 - Observe and keep normally in 20G Long QT until day 30
Day 30 - Now if there are no signs of disease, release into display.
Would the 15 day observation period be totally necessary for anything other than to give the fish a bit of a break before going into the display?
Now compared to Humblefish's (on Reef2Reef) original TTM and a proposed velvet TTM which gave me the inspiration for my post a while ago:
Original TTM:
Day 1 – Fish is placed in initial QT.
Day 4 – 72 hours later transfer the fish to new tank. The time of day you do the transfer is unimportant, but never exceed 72 hours from the last transfer. The temperature and SG of the new tank should match the old one perfectly, so you can just catch & release (no acclimation). Transfer as little water as possible with the fish. Also Use - General Cure
Day 7 – Repeat.
Day 10 – Repeat. Also Use - General Cure
Day 13 – Repeat and done (fish should now be ich free)
Proposed Velvet TTM from Humblefish on R2R.
Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours That protocol should eliminate both ich & velvet.
Equipment for TTM:
3 - 4x Clear Home Depot Storage Bins to rotate to allow them to dry for 48 hours
1x Large Storage Bin that can hold the smaller Storage Bins
1x Heater and small powerhead to circulate water in large bin
3 - 4x Identical PVC elbows/T's for hiding to rotate to allow them to dry for 48 hours
Multiple Airstones w/ airlines and an air pump to rotate to allow them to dry for 48 hours
Equipment for QT observation post TTM:
1x 20G Long or 29G Tank
1x Heater
1x glass thermometer
PVC elbows/T's for hiding
1x Seachem Ammonia Alert badges
1x Airstones w/ airlines and airpump.
1x HOB Seachem Tidal Filter 55
Thoughts?
I came across these two videos on YouTube from a guy running the TTM on his new clowns. His TTM system seems really easy and effective. Take a look:
How To Do a Quarantine Water Change - Tank Transfer Method:
My New Clownfish And Quarantine Setup. He is showing his TTM set up in detail:
Basically for keeping the temp stable and not needing to use a bunch of heaters, he is using a larger tank for holding the heater, and simply resting the smaller tanks in it and swapping them out as needed.
The idea behind TTM is to outrun the life cycle of Ich. Velvet has a life cycle very similar to Ich, just much faster. TTM is a known effective method for curing a fish from Ich. By combining it with the other meds, I'm hoping to have a simple and effective solution for treating essentially every major fish parasite/disease. I personally don't mind making a fairly large batch of salt water to do this.
So after some more reading and research; I wanted to see everyone's opinion on if you think this will work for all the major parasites/diseases, especially velvet. I really am trying to find a good way around using copper of some sort as you can tell haha.
NEW QT Quarantine Tank / TTM Tank Transfer Method procedure:
Day 1 - Methylene Blue 30 min bath, Fish in tank.
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 24-36 hours, and add API General Cure to TTM QT (API GC suggested dose is every 48 hours, Humblefish recommended 5-7 days)
Day 3 - 2nd transfer at 24-36 hours, Fresh Water dip, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 4 - 3rd transfer at 24-36 hours, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 5 - 4th transfer at 24-36 hours, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 6 - 5th transfer at 24-36 hours, add Rally to TTM QT (suggested dose of Rally is every day for at least 3 days)
Day 7 - 6th transfer at 24-36 hours, add API General Cure to TTM QT (API GC suggested dose is every 48 hours, Humblefish recommended 5-7 days)
Day 8 - 7th transfer at 24-36 hours, add Seachem Prime (Velvet should be gone)
Day 9 - Nothing, check ammonia
Day 10 - 8th transfer at 48 hours, add Seachem Prime
Day 11 - Nothing, check ammonia
Day 12 - 9th transfer at 48 hours, add Seachem Prime
Day 13 - Nothing, check ammonia
Day 14 - 10th transfer a 48 hours, move to 20G Long QT
Day 15 to 29 - Observe and keep normally in 20G Long QT until day 30
Day 30 - Now if there are no signs of disease, release into display.
Would the 15 day observation period be totally necessary for anything other than to give the fish a bit of a break before going into the display?
Now compared to Humblefish's (on Reef2Reef) original TTM and a proposed velvet TTM which gave me the inspiration for my post a while ago:
Original TTM:
Day 1 – Fish is placed in initial QT.
Day 4 – 72 hours later transfer the fish to new tank. The time of day you do the transfer is unimportant, but never exceed 72 hours from the last transfer. The temperature and SG of the new tank should match the old one perfectly, so you can just catch & release (no acclimation). Transfer as little water as possible with the fish. Also Use - General Cure
Day 7 – Repeat.
Day 10 – Repeat. Also Use - General Cure
Day 13 – Repeat and done (fish should now be ich free)
Proposed Velvet TTM from Humblefish on R2R.
Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours That protocol should eliminate both ich & velvet.
Equipment for TTM:
3 - 4x Clear Home Depot Storage Bins to rotate to allow them to dry for 48 hours
1x Large Storage Bin that can hold the smaller Storage Bins
1x Heater and small powerhead to circulate water in large bin
3 - 4x Identical PVC elbows/T's for hiding to rotate to allow them to dry for 48 hours
Multiple Airstones w/ airlines and an air pump to rotate to allow them to dry for 48 hours
Equipment for QT observation post TTM:
1x 20G Long or 29G Tank
1x Heater
1x glass thermometer
PVC elbows/T's for hiding
1x Seachem Ammonia Alert badges
1x Airstones w/ airlines and airpump.
1x HOB Seachem Tidal Filter 55
Thoughts?
