I will QT your fish

OK. Man you win.

OK. Community. I give up.


Mods would you please delete this thread.

Wait before it gets locked.

Erickjohnsonaz - First, don't do this QT service. Someone will be held accountable. If the fish dies in your care, no matter what agreement you have with the hobbyist, 50% chance you're going to get blamed. Questions will arise on your practices, even if you put it out there these are things you're trying to learn.

Hobbyist - QT your own fish, or pay a business to do for you like Marine Collectors or TSM. Then if you have a problem you can take it up with them. Being they're a legitimate business they will work with you to some extent. If paying those prices are too costly for you, then QT yourself.

Side note, I for one decided to QT myself and after the costs of the fish (many loses), meds, food, saltwater, electricity, equipment, and whatever else involved, I could have bought the fish QT'd from TSM. LOL. I knew very little about diseases. Went through a 4 week crash course on humblefish forum to absorb as much as I could.

Bottom line, I hate QT'ing fish now. I'll reluctantly do it for myself again. It's a lot of work and in reality the savings if any aren't much. You could say I paid a lot of the education of QT'ing fish and it won't get me a job or make me any money. Same story I hear from of college graduates.

Yes, This is why I have tried to evolve the process and not take fish from people and only provide fish from my wholesaler and take all the responsibility on my shoulders completely.

Apparently I am not allowed to change my procedures, though. So I've decided to just chose the fish I will QT and then sell them. I will guarantee the fish I QT for 7 days. i will do it as I please when I please. I will make what I want and the community will lose the resource.

Sometime in the future and every once in a while you will see me post a fish for sale. The price will be the price. I won't negotiate. No one gets a break. I might make money and I might not. It's just me having fun with my hobby.

Community thank @joseserrano for shutting me down with his truth. He has protected you all!

You're new here but i feel you should know a bit about why the community hasnt welcomed your idea with open arms. Not too long ago, we had some quack offer the same services. Some people got healthy fish while others had their entire tanks wiped out by sick fish. Sadly for those people, they also lost a lot of money as this particular yahoo kept their money and even threatened to sue them in court if said person(s) didn't pay up. Having said that, I personally think your idea is a good one but i also understand the communal apprehension. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and welcome to SCR.

Ahh...

I understand a bit more now why the apprehension. I will up the offer, then:

No one pays up front. I will buy all the fish. I will QT them. I will sell them to the people that ordered them. i will pay for eDNA testing of each tank at the end of the process and long as the community puts in place an over-site group that will certify that I am doing the right thing and following my protocols. i will accept advice from the over-site panel of the community.

I will open my doors for inspection to each person that has ordered fish and the over-site team at any time. I already provide videos of fish while in QT , publicly available to everyone while fish are in QT.

I want this to be a success. I have no issue with transparency.

Additionally in an effort to be completely transparent all videos I make are posted on my YouTube Channel at: http://live.innovusaquaculture.com

I have a 24x7 live stream of my 112 gallon mixed reef tank build that is 6 months old at:

There you can see every detail of how I take care of a tank. The good and the bad. Nothing to hide. I will be streaming every display tank I have in time along with live parameters from the Apex controllers on them on the feeds.

I will also be posting a live view of my entire Apex system for all my tanks in an effort for complete transparency.

once again, sounds like you should be a sponsor. Stop trying to be meek now, you have been throwing stones the whole time.

What are you some form of terrorist? You just keep coming after me for more and more and more.

STOP already. Enough. You beat me. you destroyed my idea. you win. Your destruction runs supreme. Go on to someone else and destroy them.

This is the reason our society in in the shape it is. Because we let people like you beat us into submission.

I know you won't stop. I know you'll keep beating on me. You'll keep typing the same irrelevant things over and over again.

People will believe you. You have had your voice. It's fine. I guess as long as you are beating on me you aren't beating on someone with a real hope of doing something important. Or do you really have that much time on your hands......

Whoa.

@erickjohnsonaz
So let me break this down for you. I could give an eff about your whole QT service post. Let’s get into the deeper problem your mouth just got you into. So Jose isn’t going to boast him self up and you clearly have to idea who he is. But the the guy you called terrorist is one of the most respected members here as well as a high recommended seller in the SoCal area. Also he’s a very active member of SCMAS. Do you know who SCMAS is? If not, it’s by far they largest marine aquarium clubs in Southern California and I believe there one of five, if not the largest marine aquarium club of United States. Most of the members have a common respect for each member. We join the monthly meets and help put on RAP by donating our time. Now if you didn’t know, SCMAS is the creator and host of RAP (Reef-A-Pelouze).

So that fellow member that you called a terrorist that I have respect for, may have just put a hidden target on back. You may not like what I’m telling you but you look like the idiot here, just saying

A target? On my back? Is there now a kill order out on me?

What are you folks?

Way to serious man. You're all not worth it.

Mods please delete this thread!

by the by - I notice he is not a sponsor of the forum.....

Yea we trained assassins hahaha. Your the one taking thing way to serious.

By hidden target I’m sayin people know your screen name and now have called a fellow member a terrorist they are going to label you as an idiot.

That’s cute tho that you think there’s mods here that are going to delete your words . Man I curse like a truck on these boards and nothing ever gets deleted. It’s the mother fucking wild Wild West here lol

But hey you did do a great job at reading the room here.

Man let’s play poker

Well, actually my screen name IS my name. It is actually my real name. That is how transparent I am.

I really don't care what other people label me as.

I do have a problem when people call me sneaky, lacking accountability and a liar.

People will read this thread for what it is. A flame war.

if people want to buy fish or coral from me then they will. If not then they won't. My reputation will stand on my actions. Not this flame war.

If people want to believe I am a sneaky, insincere, liar then they should not buy stuff from me.

If people want to see what I do in an open and transparent way then test me.

None of these words matter because none of them have been backed up by action, yet, except for the few dealings with people I have had here so far. So far no one I have had any dealing with has said anything negative about me.

If someone does have something negative to say about me in my dealings I welcome it to be public and on the record.

My words all stand and I stand behind them. My actions stand as well.

I see where both of you are coming from.
Your point is that your saying the QT process is free for the buyer. Ok yea it is. And respect for not wanting you hurt the business of LFS by under cutting there prices.

I see it at Jose’s prospective too. Your says free and doing it to help your ability to QT fish. Early if in the post it seemed like your doing this to help the community and not make a profit. Yea I agree if your doin a service then you should be able to benefit for the work you have put in. But at first it looked as if you were labeling it as if you weren’t trying to make a profit or get compensated for your services. So then after the fact came out that your trying to get compensated then you look to stand to make a bit of profit (maybe I know I’ve bought a lot of fish and tried QTing it’s a tough deal, a few months back I placed a $900 order and lot 80%.). But know Jose is asking you to look in to sponsor ship here. Why is it far for you to promote services that you could profit off and not have to pay to be a sponsor here but other sponsor have to pay a annual fee to promote there services. If I was a sponsor here and saw your building of a potential business here but not have to pay for a sponsor ship I’d be frustrated. His is where Jose is coming from.

I am all about sponsorship. I have already paid to be a premium member. I did that the day i joined the forum.

If this turns into a real business that makes profit then: First, I will not be the one that runs it. I will be GIVING it to someone else to run. Secondly, this forum and every other forum that I would advertise on deserves money for their promotion of my business. But we are far to early in the process for that. I haven't even worked out a solid business model. I haven't come up with fair pricing. I haven't figured out what the margins are. I haven't found all the pit falls.

I'm working really hard to find a great solution for everyone. For a person to run a great QT business (not me, I'm retired and want to do other things), people that want QT's fish at good prices, and the LFS that needs to sell fish and dry goods to keep their doors open.

Yes, absolutely, sponsorship is in the future, if this thing is long enough lived to make any money, but to suggest that I just donate money to everyone out there, drive to peoples homes deliver fish, buy fish for people, give hundreds of dollars for advertising a business I'm only in the research phase of doing is a bit of a steep price tag.

I have been open and transparent. I have posted my thoughts and developed this idea in public. I have NEVER excluded the idea of sponsorship of this forum. I believe I have sponsored this forum at the level I should for the things I am doing on it right now. I've paid more money to this forum in sponsorship then MOST of the other members, in fact. I am a paid member sponsor of EVERY forum I belong to.

That's the funny thing. I'm really NOT trying to make a profit at this stage. I don't really know what the numbers are. Is my service free, yes. My time, space, electricity, ect is free. Could I work out some way for the "customer" to pay for food and medications, the fish themselves? What is bad about that? Is the QT process still free? I would say the service is still free. I just went back and re-read the title of this thread. Then I went through all of my initial posts.

My first post said i would QT someones fish for them for free. They could help out with a few bucks for food and meds. I also said I would help people acquire fish from a wholesaler I had access too.

There was a little confusion on my part about asking someone in public about where they lived. I made a bad joke. My humor is sometimes sarcastic.

On the very same day, within 4 posts, I defined how i would be willing to help people acquired fish from my wholesaler, without undercutting LFS's. The option was still open for people to bring me fish to QT for FREE or donate for food or meds.

Before I ever did my first QT commission I refined the terms further. I posted them publicly, nothing to hide.

I took my first QT commission and it went very well.

I refined the terms further and posted them publicly. no one was affected by the change to the terms, in fact the terms did not change, just the wording to make it more clear.

I finally refined my terms to exclude taking any fish I did not acquire, added a 7 day guarantee and only a set price for fully QT'd fish.

I have been upfront, honest, truthful, thoughtful and transparent. I'm not in this to make money. I have all that I need and am blessed every day to have it. I do want to help other people be successful. I have the time a resources to do that, so I will.

Though all of this Jose badgered me, called my a sneak, a liar, untruthful and many other names (you are right, nothing gets deleted. It's all here on public display for everyone to read). If he is the idea of an upstanding guy in your community then I don't want to be one, so please exclude me from the community your talking about.

Eric don’t listen to Eric lol. Send me a list of your qt fish I’m willing to possibly purchase some from you! Lmk!