Anyone’s tank thriving with elevated lithium?

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Got my ICP results back and lithium is much more elevated in last 6 months

October 25 - lithium 259
April 26 - lithium 396

After some searching sounds like it may be coming from salt mixes, and should not be harmful to our reefs. But I’ve been using brightwell salt for last 3 years. Only new things I’ve added are TM A+K and Neophos and neonitro.

Also odd that my October phos was .31 when Hannah checker was .01 and this recent phos was .43 when Hannah checker was reading .11

anyways, just curious what everyone’s lithium levels are and if there is a remedy for it.
 

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Years ago ppl started to find out instant ocean was causing high lithium in tanks. No one had issues then or now
 

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Yeah, it’s not something I would worry about. The Brightwell stuff on the other hand, I would consider making my own DIY solutions of both for dosing, that way you know exactly what’s in the solution. Buy Loudwolf sodium nitrate or you could use ammonium bicarbonate instead as a nitrogen source and tridodium phosphate as an inorganic phosphorus source. Just use James’ planted calculator online to find your solution mix for both. I don’t like using products that don’t tell you the ingredients. Plus, DIY solutions for all three costs a fraction of the retail stuff. If you need guidance or help with creating the solutions yourself, just lmk and I’ll help guide you.


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I actually don’t think I’ll be dosing much phos or nitrate. Probably 10-15ml in the last couple months to maintain phos .11 and nitrate 10. I am just dosing 5ml with water changes every other week.

still struggling to remedy my poor colors but growth seems to be fair. Just bummed that my firecracker colony browned out.
 

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Got my ICP results back and lithium is much more elevated in last 6 months

October 25 - lithium 259
April 26 - lithium 396

After some searching sounds like it may be coming from salt mixes, and should not be harmful to our reefs. But I’ve been using brightwell salt for last 3 years. Only new things I’ve added are TM A+K and Neophos and neonitro.

Also odd that my October phos was .31 when Hannah checker was .01 and this recent phos was .43 when Hannah checker was reading .11

anyways, just curious what everyone’s lithium levels are and if there is a remedy for it.
I’ve run into the same scenario. My level is 1082 as of my last ICP. Haven’t changed anything and do not run any special bio media or anything like that. Can’t figure out where it’s coming from. I use Red Sea blue bucket and only dose ESV two part. Nothing else is dosed in the tank.

I started having issues when this level started rising. Also had a po4 drop to 0 when I was on vacation so thinking that’s what gave me issues. I’ve had po4 at 0 before though and never had any issues. Lithium was the only real issue on my ICP other than minor trace elements being low.
 
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I had low to normal levels of lithium until I started dosing ESV. I used to dose Seachem Reef Fusion and it was a good additive, nothing seemed to get out of whack and there really weren't many deficiencies either. It was just annoying that its not a perfect 1-1 ratio 2 part and its a bit pricey. I switched to ESV to try and save some dough and have a balanced solution. Sure as shit my lithium levels elevated from normal to around 950 in a couple months time. I have since switched to DIY additives so I will see were I am at in a few months.

FWIW people have been dosing the shit out of ESV for decades, even before ICP testing was ever a thing and it hasn't really been an issue. Or has it been? I would assume that their formula hasn't changed much, and for all that time we were all dosing a ton of lithium and didn't even know it.

Now that we have access to laboratory level testing, we are becoming increasingly more aware of what is in our supplements and systems. Some of it bad? Maybe? Many of the ions that ICP test for have no scientific basis or evidence that they effect coral health, growth, or coloration at all, just that these ions are found in natural sea water.

Some of the ICP recommendations are even downright contradictory. For example I have high potassium in my system, I also have slightly low iodine. Iodine supplements are pretty much straight potassium and the slightly low iodine isn't enough to cause an issue. Yet, the recommendations from the ICP lab are to start dosing iodine. Then in the same list of recommendations, I am advised to immediately stop feeding or dosing anything that contains potassium and start doing water changes using their brand of salt of course. I also have test results saying that I have low manganese. I dosed crazy amounts of manganese even the day before the test trying to elevate it on my ICP results only to come up undetectable on manganese again. I later came to find out, that manganese can't be detected on ICP-OES, they can only see it if you use ICP-MS. Yet still, it is reported and recommend to dose it based on an ICP-OES test?

I suggest that people take ICP results and recommendations in jest, and remember that the people performing these tests are doing it for profit, first and foremost. It's not coincidence that the ICP companies also sell all of the elements that they test for. Once you have the ICP test data it is up to you to do your diligence and figure out what the value of the information is. Only after that should you make any decisions on what to course of action to take if any at all.

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ESV seems to be a common denominator here. That’s all I’ve dosed in my years of reefing. Makes me wonder if that’s why my old tank slowly crashed. I think it crashed before ICP testing became a thing.

Previously had undetectable nutrients and was recommended to feed more and get them up. That’s why I gave dosing nitrates and phosphates a go. But really I don’t think anything has changed. I’m going to give a longer peak light cycle a try.

As far as everything else. All is normal aside from fluoride but it’s improved since A+K. It was .3 previously

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I actually don’t think I’ll be dosing much phos or nitrate. Probably 10-15ml in the last couple months to maintain phos .11 and nitrate 10. I am just dosing 5ml with water changes every other week.

still struggling to remedy my poor colors but growth seems to be fair. Just bummed that my firecracker colony browned out.
What are you current nutrient levels?
 

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I’m wondering what everyone is dosing for two part? I’m worried if the ESV is causing the elevated lithium maybe that’s an issue? I know it’s been used in so many tanks for so many years with success. Odd thing is I have been using it for three years and just the last 6-8 months I’ve had the elevated lithium levels. Nothing has changed during that time on anything different being added to the system.
 

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I think lithium comes as an impurity from the calcium chloride in salt mixes and maybe some additives. Randy Holmes-Farley mentioned that it's nontoxic and shouldn't cause any issues. I remember a live stream where someone from one of the ICP testing labs talked about how lithium was higher or present in most, if not all samples that came from the US and not so much from other countries.
 

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lithium comes from ESV’s calcium and not in their alkalinity. I’ve had levels in the past over 1400 and it was not fun. Definitely detrimental to corals, but as long as you’re doing regular water changes and keep the levels under 400, it should be fine.
The majority of salt available to the public have a range of 100-300 and 200 is considered a safe level.
I switched over to balling 3 part and lithium is finally going down with each water change.
 

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Swapped my ca dosing container to brightwell calcion. Will send an ICP out in a few months and report back!
Just remember it likely won’t be 1:1 ratio as ESV is ~1.4x stronger than regular 2part calcium
 
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Thanks Jason, I plan on testing every 2 days and adjust accordingly.

Edit. You made me question it, just checked after 24hours and ca is up +30ppm so had to dial it back actually.
 
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Been about a week, everything’s all over the place.

Goal:
Mg 1450
Ca 420
Kh 8.0
Po4 .1
Nitrates 10

previously daily dosing for the last 6 months ESV 3 part:
Ca: 26ml/day
Alk: 16 m/day
Mg: 2 ml/day
Nitrate/po4: 5ml/wk

My alk and ca seemed to have flipped and tank is using more mg, po4, and nitrates.

now dosing:
Mg: 8ml/day
Ca: 14 ml/day
Alk: 22ml/day
Now dosing 5ml/2days of nitrate and phosphate and can’t get po4 >.04 and nitrates >5. Going to start dosing 10ml soon if they don’t go up.

Noticing some new growth on a few pieces and my RR firecracker finally showing some color so I’m hopeful things are getting better. Still going to wait a few months before I send another ICP to check lithium.


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Was looking through old photos and really hoping to get my firecracker looking like this again

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About a month of progress, results are good so far from discontinuing ESV calcium. My RR firecracker will what I’ll watch to see if things recover. Color slowly coming back. Some new growth finally seeing blue tips again.

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Tank is definitely using more mg as I’m up to 20cc/day and barely around 1400. Felt like I was dosing 2cc/day for the longest time.

Ca is now 18cc/day and kh is 28ml/day.

Few other pieces looking real good. TSA twisted sister used to be just brown but it kinda looks cool now. RR Wolverine and psychoberry not too shabby either. More gold on NY Knicks torch



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also my “gray planet” showing good growth and color.

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2 month ICP test resulted. Lithium levels trending down. 395 to 338, not too shabby. Tank looks to be healthier. RR firecracker definitely getting some color back. Everything pretty much dialed in to where I don’t need to test weekly anymore.

Fluoride also up, I assume it’s from Tropic Marin A + K

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