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got a few weeping willow toadstool to offload - some will come with two frags on one disk $30
P/U in Fountain Valley
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FS: weeping willow toadstool [SOLD]
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all sold but I might have to frag it again in 6 month-ish
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10 weeping willow frags available attached to Marco rock P/U in fountain valley $30 each.
what it looks like right now with white light
what it looks like before I chopped it up
what it looks like right now with white light
what it looks like before I chopped it up
JB’s looking good!
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I'm available this weekend and Monday 6/29. also that mushroom colony on the bottom left with 2 blue green sympodium and some blue mushroom on the other side for $40 total
I'm available this weekend and Monday 6/29. also that mushroom colony on the bottom left with 2 blue green sympodium and some blue mushroom on the other side for $40 total
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mushroom colony picked up.
3 weeping willow left
3 weeping willow left
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This is a weeping willow. Is this the coral you have for sale?
The coral pictured looks more like a long polyp sarcophyton, of which there are many strains.
Weeping Willows have these characteristics:
The coral pictured looks more like a long polyp sarcophyton, of which there are many strains.
Weeping Willows have these characteristics:
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Your tank looks very nice.
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No, I don't have the one in your picture. mine have different color and the polyps doesn't drop like that but did grow up to 4 inches long before I started fragging it last year. the frags in the pictures is about 2 weeks old. it was sold to me as a weeping willow toadstool but it's different from the one in your pictured.
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I'm sorry but it is not a weeping willow then. They don't come in greens. There are many variety's of long polyp sacrophyton corals, I think over a hundred, but the Weeping Willow is a specific one. It's the same with sinularia species. There are hundreds of species, but certain species are more desirable than others because of their polyp and growth patterns.
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oh ok, so the one I have is a long polyp toadstool
I google weeping willow and a lot of different kind show up.
are there more then one weeping willow toadstool or is it just the one strain from Jake on reef builder that should be call a weeping willow?
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Maybe the easiest way to understand is you shouldn't sell a Toyota Camry for the same price as a Lexus LC. Sure they are both made by Toyota, but they are different things.
There is one strain of Weeping Willow, everything else that is called Weeping Willow and is not is either someone being deceptive and trying to rip people off or someone who genuinely does not know, often times because they have been ripped off by someone.
The same can be true of many different species in the hobby.
For example there are several varieties of acropora tortuosa but only one of the varieties is called an Oregon Tort. There are also Cali Torts, Miyagi Torts, etc. You wouldn't want to charge Oregon Tort prices for a Miyagi tort when back in the day the Oregon tort went for a hundred bucks more an inch than a Miyagi Tort.
Same with anemones. It would be dishonest to sell a common RBTA as a Sang Lee or as a Colorado Sunburst; just because all of them are anemones doesn't mean they have the same value.
Generally speaking softie keepers aren't as up on the exact species like SPS keepers are, but when certain softie species can go for hundreds of dollars a frag then it is important to not call a common species by the more sought after species name or people might think you are being dishonest.
Happens with Sacrophyton corals all the time. Happened with the Tyree Green Polyp leather for years as well. With many of the more sought after corals the lineage is important.
If you had an actual Weeping Willow frag I would have paid you a lot more for it. It's pretty hard to find. Biota has a similar one, but not quite the same growth.
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I get the Sang Lee vs a Colorado sunburst is a linage thing and honestly I can't tell them apart unless I see them next to each other and someone tells me which is what and I usually takes their word for it. I'm not a coral guy and more into fish. All I care is the coral looks pretty, colorful, and easy to care for when I pick them out. I'm not into fancy name or collecting specific linage.
Serious question, how do I tell which is a true weeping willow? I see tons of vendor online claiming to be selling weeping willow for a lot $$$ and they look different from the picture you show. You're saying there's only one strain of weeping willow and Biota also have one but they both look different from each other. is "weeping willow" copy right to that one strain from one vendor? can't other vendors who develop their own toadstool linage all call their weeping willow too? I don't see why not as long as there're not claiming to sell the OG weeping willow.
I just uploaded my picture to chatgpt and it say most likely a weeping willow but you're saying it's not. could it be a general weeping willow and just not the OG one you're referring too? I feel $30 is reasonable for this toadstool whatever it's called. do you think it's too much?
anyway, thank you for your input. you seem to know more about toadstool than I do that's why I'm asking all these questions. just want to learn
life would be much easier if someone develop an app tell you exactly what a coral is, linage, price range, etc... LOL
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Chat GPT is still terrible for specific questions, especially hobby related. How AI is trained is not discriminative enough yet for many niche' applications. It is OK for general knowledge but still seems pretty terrible at many things thus far. Many people calling something a Weeping Willow online will have Chat GPT convinced.
The problem in this hobby of people starting "named corals" has existed for at least 25 years. I have watched the progression, it is pretty ridiculous. It led to the dumbing down of hobbyist in general.
There is no governing body on naming corals, and there is no one that is going to go after a hobbyist for a coral name, with fish yes but not coral. There is simply no way to track it appropriately. Even if a person buys the coral for Sang Lee himself and has a receipt there is nothing to prohibit him from using that receipt to sell generic RBTA's to anyone else. Unfortunately many people are dishonest when it comes to matters of business and profit. In order for the names to be used and recognized it is up to hobbyists to police ourselves. This is also true for the photographs of many corals sold online.
The more people continue to call things the wrong name, the more those wrong names become accepted, the more it will perpetuate. The more people use edited and enhanced images of corals the more it will become accepted, the more people will chase false supplements to add to their tanks to get that photo edited look in person. It is a bad trajectory for our hobby, even if it has come innocently enough at times.
Using scientific names for most corals seems more reasonable in most circumstances unless the person you are selling to knows the person you bought it from. In example:
seller, "I got this leather from Steve Tyree when he fragged his up. "
buyer, " oh, that is a Tyree leather eh, I saw that in his tank"
Buyer grew the coral out and is now selling it.
buyer-seller "This is one that came out of Tyree's tank that I grew"
New buyer "Oh the Tyree leather" (buyer knows Steve or has heard of Steve's reputation)
New buyer now seller "I got this from a guy who got it from a guy who got it from Steve Tyree"
New buyer "Who is Steve?"
That is how it is supposed to work. The farther you go down the line the "named part" of the coral means nothing.
Another place it falls apart is when you go to the LFS and you see a leather that looks like Steve Tyree's but it is not. LFS guy calls it a Tyree Leather, but it is actually a different species but similar. Now all green long polyp leathers are Tyree leathers in a short time.
Then a green sarcophyton leather comes into the store that is a short polyp, but the LFS guy doesn't know the difference or just thinks the leather is pissed off as they are moody, so he sells the short polyp as a Tyree Leather.
Now all green sarcophytons are known as Tyree's. It's very easy for what was once a simple and easy way to know how a coral would look and grow with a reference name, to know become meaningless and the name devolve to mean nothing.
As far as an app that would be cool, but we have to train the Marine Biologists first. There are over 80 species of sarcophyton leathers, there are over 300 species of sinularia. It's just to much to be programmed at this point. Even when it would be developed, it still could not tell which coral of the same species came from Steve's tank, and which came from the ocean, if they are the same species; and buying CB is a huge priority for most of us who have been in the hobby over a decade.
I'll get off my soapbox now. I hope that was helpful.
You have a green long polyp sarcophtyon. It is a beautiful coral. Definitely worth $30 a frag. As a consumer though, it's not something I am interested in because I have a huge one of my own, probably 10" across now. I don't have any of the long polyp pinkish flesh color coral and I am looking to break up the coloration in my tank a bit (to much green). So beautiful coral, I love mine, just yours isn't for me since I have something similar.
The problem in this hobby of people starting "named corals" has existed for at least 25 years. I have watched the progression, it is pretty ridiculous. It led to the dumbing down of hobbyist in general.
There is no governing body on naming corals, and there is no one that is going to go after a hobbyist for a coral name, with fish yes but not coral. There is simply no way to track it appropriately. Even if a person buys the coral for Sang Lee himself and has a receipt there is nothing to prohibit him from using that receipt to sell generic RBTA's to anyone else. Unfortunately many people are dishonest when it comes to matters of business and profit. In order for the names to be used and recognized it is up to hobbyists to police ourselves. This is also true for the photographs of many corals sold online.
The more people continue to call things the wrong name, the more those wrong names become accepted, the more it will perpetuate. The more people use edited and enhanced images of corals the more it will become accepted, the more people will chase false supplements to add to their tanks to get that photo edited look in person. It is a bad trajectory for our hobby, even if it has come innocently enough at times.
Using scientific names for most corals seems more reasonable in most circumstances unless the person you are selling to knows the person you bought it from. In example:
seller, "I got this leather from Steve Tyree when he fragged his up. "
buyer, " oh, that is a Tyree leather eh, I saw that in his tank"
Buyer grew the coral out and is now selling it.
buyer-seller "This is one that came out of Tyree's tank that I grew"
New buyer "Oh the Tyree leather" (buyer knows Steve or has heard of Steve's reputation)
New buyer now seller "I got this from a guy who got it from a guy who got it from Steve Tyree"
New buyer "Who is Steve?"
That is how it is supposed to work. The farther you go down the line the "named part" of the coral means nothing.
Another place it falls apart is when you go to the LFS and you see a leather that looks like Steve Tyree's but it is not. LFS guy calls it a Tyree Leather, but it is actually a different species but similar. Now all green long polyp leathers are Tyree leathers in a short time.
Then a green sarcophyton leather comes into the store that is a short polyp, but the LFS guy doesn't know the difference or just thinks the leather is pissed off as they are moody, so he sells the short polyp as a Tyree Leather.
Now all green sarcophytons are known as Tyree's. It's very easy for what was once a simple and easy way to know how a coral would look and grow with a reference name, to know become meaningless and the name devolve to mean nothing.
As far as an app that would be cool, but we have to train the Marine Biologists first. There are over 80 species of sarcophyton leathers, there are over 300 species of sinularia. It's just to much to be programmed at this point. Even when it would be developed, it still could not tell which coral of the same species came from Steve's tank, and which came from the ocean, if they are the same species; and buying CB is a huge priority for most of us who have been in the hobby over a decade.
I'll get off my soapbox now. I hope that was helpful.
You have a green long polyp sarcophtyon. It is a beautiful coral. Definitely worth $30 a frag. As a consumer though, it's not something I am interested in because I have a huge one of my own, probably 10" across now. I don't have any of the long polyp pinkish flesh color coral and I am looking to break up the coloration in my tank a bit (to much green). So beautiful coral, I love mine, just yours isn't for me since I have something similar.
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agreed anyone can just post anything online now a day which lead to even more misinformation. I know I would like a reliable centralized database to reference when buying corals. Can you lend your expertise to build out that database/website? I think the reefing communities would appreciate that.
oh what can you tell me about sunburst anemone? I'm thinking about setting up a clownfish harem as my next project but not anytime soon. I still got a lot to research. I know clown harem have a low success rate long term but still want to try it out.
what's the different between Colorado, Chicago, sang lee, CC inferno? which anemone have the brightest color if they're all house with the exact same tank condition and light? are the care level all the same as regular BTA? can you mix these fancy name one? I find mixed review on the mixing part.
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all toadstool sold. thanks everyone
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I have to much else to do to build out that site, and I am not sure I am the best person for it as it is.
I haven't kept a Colorado, Chicago, or a CC Inferno. I have about 15 Sang Lee's in my system now. The Sang Lee is just like an RBTA with the Saturation level turned up. Easy to confuse the two until they are next to each other. I think the Colorado/Inferno's are more of an Orange color.
A BTA is a BTA IME. Feed them well and they do well. If you really want brighter colors you can inject their food with an amino acid, I liked to use shrimp from the grocery store, chopped into thirds and injected, frozen, then fed out. I'd do 10 or so shrimp at a time. Good to feed 30 nems.
I think the best chance for a Harem tank is to introduce them all at the same time. If I wanted that I would write to the guys over at Biota and ask them. Great place to buy clowns as well.
Mixing nems can be tricky because they can steal each others colors. Which can be fun, but also lame.
I haven't kept a Colorado, Chicago, or a CC Inferno. I have about 15 Sang Lee's in my system now. The Sang Lee is just like an RBTA with the Saturation level turned up. Easy to confuse the two until they are next to each other. I think the Colorado/Inferno's are more of an Orange color.
A BTA is a BTA IME. Feed them well and they do well. If you really want brighter colors you can inject their food with an amino acid, I liked to use shrimp from the grocery store, chopped into thirds and injected, frozen, then fed out. I'd do 10 or so shrimp at a time. Good to feed 30 nems.
I think the best chance for a Harem tank is to introduce them all at the same time. If I wanted that I would write to the guys over at Biota and ask them. Great place to buy clowns as well.
Mixing nems can be tricky because they can steal each others colors. Which can be fun, but also lame.
