Ich

[wowdude11]

So woke up this morning to my purple tang dead. All my other fish have white dots.
2 clowns
Foxface
Blue jaw trigger
4 cardinals
Yellow tang
Blond naso tang

This morning all the fish were eating. Fed them pellets and nori. Need help with next best coarse of action

From what I read QT tank with copper is the most effective. My biggest concern here is I would
Need to set up the qt wait for a cycle. Catch the fish which is prob going to be very hard and I feel like the fish would be stressed with me chasing them.

My other option I’m thinking is adding a UV sterilizer, keep feeding and adding reef safe ich medicine.

Any suggestions or advice


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[mattyzang]

going fallow for 6-10 weeks and treating them is your best bet

ich generally isn't that bad, though. are you sure it's ich? you can count the dots? it's not sugar-like? if it's velvet you need to treat them, in tank attempts won't suffice with velvet

UV and dosing hydrogen peroxide and feeding heavily would probably be your best bet if you don't go fallow

 

[jrrob98]

i would go with feeding heavily with Selcon and using Safe Ich Medicine.

 

[looneywun7]

you need to get a seperate tank and pull all the fish out and treat with copper. That is the best way to do it. The tank doesnt need to be cycled. all you need is pump or air stone and a heater. Just keep an eye on ammonia.

 

[BgFish]

Hello there.
Did you recently add any fish?
Ick can kill, but usually not over night. But velvet can- and they can look similar.

you don’t have to wait for QT to cycle. I would get one set up as soon as possible. Just try to match temp and PH - you will have to monitor ammonia (because it’s not cycled) I recommend a ammonia badge as test kits don’t work properly with copper.

here’s some good info here:

https://humble.fish/community/index.php?information/#quarantine_resources

you can give them a freshwater dip for temporary relief in between display and qt.

good luck my friend. I’ve been there. It isn’t fun…

 

[wowdude11]

Ok thanks for the advice.
I think it’s ich because I can see a few dots. All fish are eating and from what I ready velvet kills 1-2 days and fish will not eat. So far all the fish are still eating except my naso tang but he really only eats nori and not so much prepared food

Bought a 30 gallon Petco tank. Sponge filter and hang on filter. Cooper and api general. Started cycling tank and added some ceramic squares and bio balls I had from reef tank. Hopefully I can get this tank cycled in a couple days and the fish survive long enough.

Couple questions. If I see another fish die I might have to just throw them into the tank before cycle is done. Is this a terrible idea since there will be ammonia present ?

Second any faster way to cycle ?

Lastly since my main tank is going to go fallow for 76 days can I still add coral ? Or will this not work?


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[SaltyDaddy]

Ok thanks for the advice.
I think it’s ich because I can see a few dots. All fish are eating and from what I ready velvet kills 1-2 days and fish will not eat. So far all the fish are still eating except my naso tang but he really only eats nori and not so much prepared food

Bought a 30 gallon Petco tank. Sponge filter and hang on filter. Cooper and api general. Started cycling tank and added some ceramic squares and bio balls I had from reef tank. Hopefully I can get this tank cycled in a couple days and the fish survive long enough.

Couple questions. If I see another fish die I might have to just throw them into the tank before cycle is done. Is this a terrible idea since there will be ammonia present ?

Second any faster way to cycle ?
Yes add some beneficial bio media from youre tank or an established tank. Also add some turbo start with it. Keep in mind if you use copper you can add the bio media back into your tank or some equipment.

Lastly since my main tank is going to go fallow for 76 days can I still add coral ? Or will this not work? I don’t see why not. Ich or velvet doesn’t affect coral. Only livestock like fish.


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[wowdude11]

Nvm saw the reply lol

 

[Paranoiattack91]

Ok thanks for the advice.
I think it’s ich because I can see a few dots. All fish are eating and from what I ready velvet kills 1-2 days and fish will not eat. So far all the fish are still eating except my naso tang but he really only eats nori and not so much prepared food

Bought a 30 gallon Petco tank. Sponge filter and hang on filter. Cooper and api general. Started cycling tank and added some ceramic squares and bio balls I had from reef tank. Hopefully I can get this tank cycled in a couple days and the fish survive long enough.

Couple questions. If I see another fish die I might have to just throw them into the tank before cycle is done. Is this a terrible idea since there will be ammonia present ?

Second any faster way to cycle ?

Lastly since my main tank is going to go fallow for 76 days can I still add coral ? Or will this not work?


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Let me know if you have any questions along the qt/fallow process. I went through the same exact thing years ago and lost a chevron, purple, sailfin within 48 hours. Went fishless for 72 days, and qt everything now. Technically you should not be adding coral during this time because the whole point of going fallow for 72 days is to run through the full life cycle of any ich living or being introduced during this time. That being said, even a qt down the road is not a guarantee since most do not qt their corals or inverts but it definitely reduces the risks.

 

[mattyzang]

well if you tossed in biomedia from your tank it should instantly cycle the tank. you can toss in a bottle of biospira if you want to be really safe. i've added that stuff to dry biomedia and added fish the same day and never got an ammonia reading

having seachem prime on hand (unless you're using cupramine then don't use prime) and using one of those seachem ammonia alert badges is ideal. if ammonia rises, dose some prime and prepare a water change. the badges work even with copper in the water, other ammonia test kits will not work with copper in the water

i'd recommend a hanna copper checker if you're going to use copper. especially cupramine since the range from therapeutic to toxic is quite low, but it's still quite useful with copper power

it also might be wise to have some kind of broad spectrum antibiotic on hand in case that becomes an issue during or after copper treatment

 

[wowdude11]

Ya i bought the ammonia Alert badge as well.
Using copper power the blue bottle

Have Hanna copper test kit

I thought using prime was bad since it’s stop the tank from cycling


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[mattyzang]

Ya i bought the ammonia Alert badge as well.
Using copper power the blue bottle

Have Hanna copper test kit

I thought using prime was bad since it’s stop the tank from cycling


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never heard of that, it just detoxifies ammonia for 24 hours. i generally just use it for hybrid ttm where there's no biofilter, but if you're qting that many big fish in a 30g it might be worth having on hand

 

[thresher]

I went through something very similiar about 3 months ago. I treated the fish in a qt tank for about 2 months. Got them fat and happy. Another important piece that I beleive helped was the addition of a UV sterilizer but I had the feed water going through very slowly.

 

[wowdude11]

Any advice on catching the fish. I have 2 huge rock structures that will not be possible to move out


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[mattyzang]

drain the tank, catch everything, fill back up

 

[wowdude11]

Ok need some advice
Bought a uv sterilizer used 25 watt aqua ultraviolet. It says the flow through it should be about 400 gallons per hour for best contact time. I don’t have a flow reader so what I did was get a 1 gallon jug and set a stop watch and see how long it took to fill. The uv is attached to my manifold but I’m only getting about 240 gallons per hour. Is this too slow and won’t be effective? Is it better for me to just get a pump that does 400 gph or leave it at 240


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