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Only thing better is no reagent. I have both and the Alkatronic works fine as long as you keep the reagent filled up. I do DIY for my reagent $20 for 2 years of reagent is nothing.
I tried the Triton... twice. How do these compare? Is there the ability to auto dose or get a web based read out? Any Apex compatibility?
 

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Only thing better is no reagent. I have both and the Alkatronic works fine as long as you keep the reagent filled up. I do DIY for my reagent $20 for 2 years of reagent is nothing.
No reagent is a big plus. No mixing, no filling.

I guess the sale price is a big incentive. But if they were equal, I would pick aquawiz and have 1 less maintenance thing to worry about.

But I'm stuck with the Trident and ABC reagents. Only positive is that it does Calcium and Mag testing as well. I only testing alk twice a day and ca/mg once a day.
 

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I tried the Triton... twice. How do these compare? Is there the ability to auto dose or get a web based read out? Any Apex compatibility?
I just hooked up my Aquawiz this week so I will know more about it in a month or so. I have been using an Alkatronic for about 2 years and it works well. It does have a little bit of a learning curve but once you get it figured out it does work well. If I were to buy another Alkatronic I would just buy one used since you can typically find them for a couple hundred bucks on R2R from other hobbyists who bought them with unrealistic expectations and got rid of them due to frustration. None of these machines are magical and they all have some quirks.

Both the Alkatronic and the Aquawiz have BNC output ports to connect to external controllers. For the Hydros you can also connect wireless to your Focustronic. I have never used Apex but I believe that you need to use a pmm module and again I am not 100%. Both the Aquawiz and the Alkatronic have the ability to dose an alkalinity buffer or sink up to a controller for automated dosing. Both the Aquawiz and Alkatronic have their own apps that track test data and if you have them connected to an external controller you can track the data there as well.

The Alkatronic has a very detailed instruction book of 30-40 pages that can be downloaded and printed from the Focustronic website and nearly any issue you face can be figured out if you just look through the manual. The Aquawiz instructions are on a single page in the box with the product and are quite difficult to decipher the device is fairly new so there isn't much forum help either. I found a video from another user who walks through the setup and I was able to get mine online using his video tutorial.

The Alkatronic is much louder than the Aquawiz when it tests. This is due to the larger more robust stepper motor pumps used in the Alkatronic. The Aquawiz is almost silent in comparison.

The Aquawiz has some rudimentary control built into the machine so you can perform most functions without using the app. The button and screen placement on the top of the Aquawiz are a little bit of a pain(at least for me) since it means that you need to provide open access to the top to use them. Also to get a readout of the screen you have to push a button to wake it up. The Alkatronic requires you to use the app for all interactions but the display is right on the front of it and always lit up showing the latest test results and the scheduled time for the next cycle so info at a glance is easy.

The Alkatronic requires reagent but isn't limited to a range for accuracy. According to the instructions with the Aquawiz if your dKh is more than 1.0 from your baseline solution the accuracy will be reduced. I test my alkalinity every hour so making DIY reagent for the Alkatronic is a must. For that I use 1.0m sulphuric acid and my recipe is 20ml acid and 980ml RODI to make a liter. I make a couple gallons at a time and it lasts a couple of months. If you have a tank over 60g or so it is safe to put the test sample back into the tank I have been doing so for over 2 years in a 100g system and have noticed no adverse effects. 1 liter of the 1.0m sulphuric acid goes for $20 on Amazon.

The Alkatronic test completes in just 9 minutes including a washout cycle and can do a test on demand. The Aquawiz takes 20 minutes or so to complete a test and so far I don't think you can make it test on demand. If the Alkatronic gets an out of range test it immediately tests again just to be sure. I am not yet sure about the Aquawiz in that regaurd but more to come.

As for reliability both machines require regular maintenance and regular calibrations. The Alkatronic has a bit of a learning curve in the beginning to deal with its quirks but once you get it, it is pretty reliable. I have never used Trident but I have heard that those machines can be fickle as well.

The Alkatronic gives a countdown on test cycles and recommends replacing the dosing pump hoses every 1000 tests. When life gets busy I have gone as far as 2500 tests and not had an issue though I don't recommend this. All of the hoses for the pumps can be sourced outside of Focustronic and I can provide that data through PM if anyone needs it. The Aquawiz runs on dosing heads that look like the ones in a Jebao doser but doesn't seem to make mention of maintaining them?

The Alkatronic has a finished look and is part of an ecosystem of products that has been around for a few years and has a following of users with forum groups to help out if you can't figure it out and if you need assistance from Focustronic I have heard that the FB page is the best way. I am a bit of a figure it out myself kind of guy so I havent needed their help. Also as stated before there is a detailed instruction manual available where most of your answers can be found. Aquawiz is relatively new to the market and looks like a prototype that someone made in their garage. I have heard that the customer support is good but I haven't used it yet.

Unfortunately I think that testing machine reliability and accuracy is a very complex engineering issue that would require huge investments of capitol and labor to overcome and it would make the equipment cost prohibitive for hobbyists. Laboratories spend hundreds of thousands on test machines to get truley accurate reliable results and that level of equipment just isn't feasible to most hobbyists. To that end all of these machines seem to work well enough for what they are but, all seem to be lacking in one way or another. As long as we keep that in mind when implementing them in our water maintenance strategies they are still quite useful.

I know it's a lot of info but hopefully this can help you out with deciding how you want to spend your money.
 
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Great info. Looks like the alkatronics is a good device too. Let us know how the aquawiz does after you have some time with it. 20 min per test and not being able to test on demand would be okay for me because if it can test every hour, that's enough to figure out if there are any issues.

I think the no reagent is a huge plus. 1 less thing to maintain. Less cost (compared to Trident). Most people like the aquawiz after using it. It does look a bit funky DIY experiment. LOL.
 

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Great info. Looks like the alkatronics is a good device too. Let us know how the aquawiz does after you have some time with it. 20 min per test and not being able to test on demand would be okay for me because if it can test every hour, that's enough to figure out if there are any issues.

I think the no reagent is a huge plus. 1 less thing to maintain. Less cost (compared to Trident). Most people like the aquawiz after using it. It does look a bit funky DIY experiment. LOL.
Yeah I noticed you said that you only test 2 times a day. I used to do the same until I got curious after reading about some guys that have as much as 1.0 daily swings and bolus dosing where guys will dump an entire days worth of alkalinity supplements in one shot with great success. So I started testing my alkalinity at first every 2 hours and now hourly. If the old no more than .5 dKh per day adage held any salt at all, my tank would have crashed many times over by now. I try to minimize the swing now to keep it below that but there are definitely days here and there where the corals are just happy and they will suck the carbonates out of the water super fast. If I were just to compare the numbers to 1 or 2 times a day I wouldn't have seen these swings hardly at all. Generally around mid day my dKh starts to drop as my PH starts climbing then throughout the night the opposite happens. The PH and dKh swing in my tank is almost a perfect inverse of about .4 for both PH and dKh at this point. I am hoping that as time goes on and I improve my skills and techniques as a reefkeeper I can reduce that down to .2 or less.
 

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LOL. Sometimes being oblivious is bliss.

With the Trident, even at 4x per day, it doesn't really help or can do much with that data. So I'm going with 2x per day, and maybe even 1x per day later. Just to give an indication that everything is good. And saves me some money.

But I'm not sure if these <1 alk swings does anything to be honest. Maybe it does have better stability, and that may help drive growth.

I did have to change my dosing profile where most of my alk additions are during the day when the lights are on.
 
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No mention of the HYDROS X10 with IV?? it can test your ALK and Salinity. same reagent is used as Alatronic and other similar devices.
 

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No mention of the HYDROS X10 with IV?? it can test your ALK and Salinity. same reagent is used as Alatronic and other similar devices.
I know a couple of people who use it and it seems to work well. It is quite and reliable. I think the issue is that it is almost $1200 after buying the x10 and IV and there are other more affordable options available. Not to knock on Hydros I love my Hydros controllers but the IV and x10 are a bit overpriced to be competitive in the alk testing market IMO. Most options are half the cost of that.
 
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DanK thank you for your very detailed and thoughtful reply. That was very kind of you to type all of that out. Really appreciate it.
 

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No mention of the HYDROS X10 with IV?? it can test your ALK and Salinity. same reagent is used as Alatronic and other similar devices.
X10 is fantastic device! Similar to alkatronics, and it's great that it can integrate with Hydros. :D
 
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It's like y'all are pushing me to sell my Apex stuff the more I look into these others.

Been on Apex for at least a decade. Hadn't even really known about the rest. Thinking of changing my 50g back into SPS and these are so tempting for someone who runs tanks on autopilot like me.
 
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X10 is fantastic device! Similar to alkatronics, and it's great that it can integrate with Hydros. :D
The alkatronic can as well. The Alkatronic was a decent unit for its time. now that has been around for a minute or two one can read the reports of the devices rusting from the inside out. I do think that this was one of the best products aocustronic offered as the Masatertronic was a huge disaster for many.
To me the HYDROS x10 is more then just a tester as you can use the sense ports and drive ports to control and monitor other things but due to its nature of all of this it is not a cheap device. I have only seen the aqua wiz a few time but I have no idea how the app is and if you can track your history of swings and such and how far back. I am also not sure if you can use it to turn things off if it is to high. I have heard of many bled equalizes out in the market so it also makes me wonder about the quality of production.
End of day if one is into corals I think an Alkalinity monitor is the best thing since sliced bread.
 

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It's like y'all are pushing me to sell my Apex stuff the more I look into these others.

Been on Apex for at least a decade. Hadn't even really known about the rest. Thinking of changing my 50g back into SPS and these are so tempting for someone who runs tanks on autopilot like me.
IMO the only reason Apex is still even in the game is because they were the first advanced level controller. Many people don't like change and I get it(both of my cars are 20+ years old). The bummer thing with Apex is that they have a vertically stacked(DaisyChained) network that relies on a single parent controller. If that controller fails the system fails. Hydros uses CAN buss system where every module is it's own independent brain and if one dies the others continue with their previously scheduled programs until that unit comes back on.

Hydros did biff it when they over sold the release of a tester that they hadn't finished developing yet, but If Hydros ever does get the Maven released Apex is gonna have a hard time competing with their vertically integrated cheesy non-water resistant system. The way Hydros runs(CAN Bus) with multiplexed IP65 rated controllers is definitely superior. When I first bought into Hydros the Maven wasn't even announced yet. After 2 years of lip service I don't even care about it anymore. As long as I have alkalinity and PH monitoring I'm good.
 

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The alkatronic can as well. The Alkatronic was a decent unit for its time. now that has been around for a minute or two one can read the reports of the devices rusting from the inside out. I do think that this was one of the best products aocustronic offered as the Masatertronic was a huge disaster for many.
To me the HYDROS x10 is more then just a tester as you can use the sense ports and drive ports to control and monitor other things but due to its nature of all of this it is not a cheap device. I have only seen the aqua wiz a few time but I have no idea how the app is and if you can track your history of swings and such and how far back. I am also not sure if you can use it to turn things off if it is to high. I have heard of many bled equalizes out in the market so it also makes me wonder about the quality of production.
End of day if one is into corals I think an Alkalinity monitor is the best thing since sliced bread.
The X10 is a great device but keep in mind that in order to utilize the alkalinity testing functions of the IV unit you will use up the probe and drive ports. Then if you want actual alkalinity control(not just testing) you will use the last dosing head as well basically turning the device into an overpriced Alkatronic with 4 sense ports.

I find that a lot of aquarium equipment has issues rusting out just due to the fact that a lot of hobbiest like to mount their controllers inside their stands next to the sump and salt spray. My alkatronic has been going 2 years strong with no rust at all but it isn't inside my stand.
 

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I've used the X10 and IV for over a year now. It works decently if you get it dialed in. I compare with salifert twice a week and it is the general ballpark. You do have to clean out the testing container once a month or so and need to calibrate the salinity and pH probe every 2-3 months. I use the 4th doser to add a little soda ash if the alk dips below 9. The key to the IV is super short tubing. The X10 needs to be right next to the IV or it is not as accurate.
 

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