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Man that’s a bummer doesn’t seem like the cuprisorb is doing much then?

Hopefully you find something that gives a definitive answer. Not sure what salt you’re using but have you ruled that out already?
 

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Not yet. I started a new box of Neomarine so we will see. I plan to do multiple water changes this week and run cuprisorb again while I troubleshoot further. Maybe I just didn't run enough cuprisorb but it makes me think something is leaching it and the cuprisorb just can't keep up maybe? Not sure.
 
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i forget my chain of events exactly, but i felt like either cuprisorb didn't absorb enough, or i just didn't run it long enough fearing that it'd remove good stuff

i felt like the triton detox worked better and faster, but it may have just been the continued use of everything and it was just the last thing i used
 

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i forget my chain of events exactly, but i felt like either cuprisorb didn't absorb enough, or i just didn't run it long enough fearing that it'd remove good stuff

i felt like the triton detox worked better and faster, but it may have just been the continued use of everything and it was just the last thing i used
That's what trips me out. I've used both and still those levels are raising. So something's got to be in there.

I ran cuprisorb, then pulled it when minus9 was nice enough tto send me detox he had, ran that for 3 days and then ran more cuprisorb until I sent out the ICP test.
 
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That's what trips me out. I've used both and still those levels are raising. So something's got to be in there.

I ran cuprisorb, then pulled it when minus9 was nice enough tto send me detox he had, ran that for 3 days and then ran more cuprisorb until I sent out the ICP test.
i feel like i kinda had the same issue even after i had located my source of rust issues, it made me wonder if it binds to rocks or something?

it was a weird battle for me for sure, like i thought ok nice found the rusting thing, removed it, ran cuprisorb and a poly filter, i should be good. send icp in, still metals, wtf. buy detox, run it, new poly filter, send triton test, still metals

i think i was finally like fuck it and just put the cuprisorb in and did detox again, which was probably not the smartest thing in the world, but since i was losing everything anyway..

like people say if u run copper in a tank with rock and sand, the rock/sand absorbs the copper, so i feel like it kinda makes sense for it to absorb other metals too? maybe turkey basting the rocks and siphoning the sand helps too?
 

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i feel like i kinda had the same issue even after i had located my source of rust issues, it made me wonder if it binds to rocks or something?

it was a weird battle for me for sure, like i thought ok nice found the rusting thing, removed it, ran cuprisorb and a poly filter, i should be good. send icp in, still metals, wtf. buy detox, run it, new poly filter, send triton test, still metals

i think i was finally like fuck it and just put the cuprisorb in and did detox again, which was probably not the smartest thing in the world, but since i was losing everything anyway..

like people say if u run copper in a tank with rock and sand, the rock/sand absorbs the copper, so i feel like it kinda makes sense for it to absorb other metals too? maybe turkey basting the rocks and siphoning the sand helps too?
Very good point. Could be too. Honestly I collected these rocks from various reefers from trade amd some for free that they had laying around. The thought has crossed my mind that maybe it is the additional rock I added. Hopefully not though.
 

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Man I was hoping for a more positive update from your thread Matt. You've probably done this already but did you check your cleaner magnets and heaters as well? and were yo able to check the wavebox?
 
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Very good point. Could be too. Honestly I collected these rocks from various reefers from trade amd some for free that they had laying around. The thought has crossed my mind that maybe it is the additional rock I added. Hopefully not though.
You guys have a lot more experience than I but honestly I’d bet this is it. Especially if you did cure / bleach the rock. That copper is not coming from the new glass.
 

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Man I was hoping for a more positive update from your thread Matt. You've probably done this already but did you check your cleaner magnets and heaters as well? and were yo able to check the wavebox?
Once my wife's home I'm gonna tear into it a little bit. I could see the heaters and they look fine but I need to pull them and check.

I don't have swelling on the cleaner or anything visible cracks ect. I've always been paranoid about it and don't keep it in the tank. Waterbox could definitely be holding something in there
 

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You guys have a lot more experience than I but honestly I’d bet this is it. Especially if you did cure / bleach the rock. That copper is not coming from the new glass.
Yeah, we were thinking that may have been the Tin issue. ATI/triton actually recommend water changes for tin and that makes me wonder if it's hard to absorb with media? Not sure. The copper and aluminum is a whole nother deal though. Not sure whats up with that.

I'll say even with them showing up they are both still in the green on ATI. My Iodine is lowest I've seen I'm guessing from all the pads/carbon and metal removers? My bromine is super low too. I'm going to hold off on adjusting any values until I get another ICP out since I plan to do a lot of water changes over the next two weeks.
 

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I will say after a 20g water change yesterday I feel like I have a little less cyano ect on the sand bed and the anemone is fully extended. Thats a relief as I'm confident doing some more water changes. I almost felt like i was losing stuff when doing it before.
 

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Dude, that's just f'ing crazy! Detox should've reduced copper for sure, so there must be a source that's still in there. I think Brightwell has a product that's supposed to remove metals as well. Purit? The zinc in your tank will be used by the animals (and biological uptake), that's why it's lower. The source of the metals could be from the rock (especially if it came from another tank). Bio bricks/media from a few companies have been known to leach aluminum and possibly other metals. I would be aggressive with cuprisorb, polyfilter and whatever you can use. Can you use some RO from someone close to you? Do you use a booster pump, have you checked it? I think you would see some active corrosion on the lights if that's the source? I hope you can find the source.
 

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Dude, that's just f'ing crazy! Detox should've reduced copper for sure, so there must be a source that's still in there. I think Brightwell has a product that's supposed to remove metals as well. Purit? The zinc in your tank will be used by the animals (and biological uptake), that's why it's lower. The source of the metals could be from the rock (especially if it came from another tank). Bio bricks/media from a few companies have been known to leach aluminum and possibly other metals. I would be aggressive with cuprisorb, polyfilter and whatever you can use. Can you use some RO from someone close to you? Do you use a booster pump, have you checked it? I think you would see some active corrosion on the lights if that's the source? I hope you can find the source.
That's what I'm thinking too. Really wish I sent out an ICP on the bin while it was cycling like I had planned. At least then I would be certain it was equipment related.

I'll check out the Brightwell stuff. I just tossed in another container of cuprisorb too. I'm not running any bio-brick media in this tank. I feel like my RO is okay, I'll probably start by cleaning out the RO bin, I just did the mixing tub but the RO was full. No booster pump.

I don't see any corrosion on the kessils or the ATI. Really the ATI is pretty well enclosed and with it being the same length as the tank I'm not sure how much would actually blow into the tank if there was something going on internally.

I cut out the live blood worms for about 2 weeks before sending off the ICP wondering if it was possibly that since that's new to this system. I don't think it is? My CBB is getting stubborn and skinnier so I'll probably just start that back up for him. I'll grab some polyfilter pads while I'm at Tong's.

Gonna start tearing into the tunze stuff now. Hopefully I can find something, I really don't care what piece at this point.
 

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3 x 6015 tunzes all check out. The wave box seems fine too. Algae reactor is good. Overflow is clear. Heaters are good.
I will say all the tunze were uniform but not completely flat. I'm not sure if that's just how they are? The outsides are completely flat but they also don't need to accept those blue vibration absorption tubes so maybe they sit in farther in the housing? I didn't see any cracks ect, impellers all looked good too.

Looking top down at the tank while peaking in the overflow it's pretty sad. A bunch of stuff looks like it's getting ready to go on me. All weird brown coloration.

I'm going to pull my UV apart and also hit up the guy I bought it from just to make sure it was never ran on a QT.

I'll be pulling my GEO reactor apart as well. Get eyes on my check valve and make sure thats functioning and not making contact with the regulator somehow when clicking off.

Pulling the kessils tonight, they are probably about due for a cleaning anyway. I'm gonna break my frag rack magnet apart and check that.

I'm starting to wonder about worst case scenario, it's the rock. Do I gut it and start over or just run media and hold off on sticks until I get decent results on my ICP tests? I wonder how long shit like that can leach for?
 

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I really hope you find something. I know it's very frustrating trying to figure it all out. Is there a way you can find out the history of the rock that you used? Old dry rock scares me a little, actually a lot. After the problems I had with my 90g start up, I'll never use dry rock again. It's a personal choice for me, but there are too many unknowns for me. I'm sending the good mojo your way, hopefully you get this figured out soon enough.
 

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Thanks hopefully I can find something.

There's no real way for me to know the history of the rock. I traded for some and some was given to me. All i all it came from maybe 3 or 4 different reefers here and on RC. Hopefully that's not the culprit, if it is that's gonna be one hard lesson learned!
 

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