chat room sand box drama...

LOL, guys your all missing the point, DONT YOU KNOW THAT AT LEAST 50% OF THE DRAMA IS SCRIPTED? come its like your favorite reality show (personally I dislike all reality shows, except man vs wild)

LOOK AND UNDERSTAND, its not a matter of who starts it, history has shown us that if MadMax falls out of conversation, MadMax will interject to make sure he becomes the topic again. Simply put, positive interactions dont create enough interest or conversation. Negative interactions, most often along lines of snide comments and borderline insults do create that conversation. LOOK AT ALL THAT ADVERTISING! PUBLICITY UP THE REAR! yes, we are failing ourselves by not ignoring it.

Still dont get it, come on, what do you think all those gossip rags do for publicity? Whos doing Who, Whos doing what, Who got arrested, what photos get leaked, HAHA in the headlines again

Dont be fooled and think he is being persecuted and lashing out in defense, SCR is the best investment that can be made as an advertising vehicle. WE ARE ALL BEING USED and falling neatly in line probably with better results than MadMAX could have ever dreamed, that is of course with the help of predictable human behavior, LOL

So remember that before you get all bent outta shape next time about sand box drama, and remember, it will only go away when SCR refuses to allow itself to be a vehicle for that negative interaction. If the new rules are designed and implemented around that idea then perhaps things will change.

IS this an acknowledgement that kevin or I usually dont start it and that folks should disregard that fact and focus on what you and others THINK kevin is trying sell us??


If rules or actions are defined by guessing and speculating what people are trying to do or accomplish then all rules will be arbitrary and subjective.

Quantifying and justifying these actions is too simple. Why would anyone disregard this, unless there is a motive or agenda and or a defense in doing so...

I think that about sums it up. Nicely put Jen/Charles. Just b/c one isn't the aggressor does not mean that person isn't guilty.


Well, it's now 1:42 PM according to my clock. The last time I checked, the new forum rules were put into effect couple of days ago and updated today. So who wants to be the guinea pig to receive the royal slap from Ariel's ban stick on their rear???

Kenny - LOL that solve the problem, thank you !! so quiet now....

The advertising aspect was purely my opinion.

The "Who started it?" question really is only of use where a youngsters mental ability only allows for a short train of thought, hence there will be repeated "who started it" situations. (for clarification, 'who started it?' as pertains to youngsters is only relevent to kindergarten age activities where they are limited by attention span)

IMO, as adults, "who started it?" has less meaning because that whole idea is a matter of subjectivity, Tit for tat, peck and poke like both you and I said, the difference IMO is the matter of the escalation. Handle the little stuff, dont get too worked up and one denies the situation fuel.

In any case, my opinion on if kevin starts it or not is clear, if whatever incident is self sustaining enough to keep him in the conversation and being conversed about, then no, theres no need.

However as soon as the drama has evaporated , it is evident, as a week or so ago that yes he will endeavor to make just enough irritation to get the ball rolling again. Objectively, comments like why rap sucked 101, suggestions of greed, laziness, lack of business knowledge on club personel, insults to various business owners and other reasonably respected people are nothing short of inflammatory, and in no way can hide behind the facade of constructive debate.

Now again, despite my above opinion, the idea of 'who started it ?' really is moot, its the perpetuation that should be dealt with. If there is an underlying reason to that perpetuation and escalation then that should be dealt with. Perhaps it is speculation, but at least in my viewpoint it holds water

These are my opinions, I voice them, certainly have no intent of trying to convince anyone of anything.

I guess this will be the first test of RULE #2


In a plyaground scenario, this maybe correct, but in an internet forum where the technology is automatically tracking the date and time, it is absolutely not subjective and absolutely has meaning.

The tit for tat, peck and poke, only leads to this discussionof who started it for in this argument / issue, the end is predictable, in tat niether side will concede or become convinced by the other party. It will escalate. teh arbitrary factor comes into play when someone has to determine which WORD in the conversation was teh most confrontational or offensive...


unfortunately in this issue, this will never be the case, (at least it hasnt been the case in more then a year and half) would you bet money that it wont escalate again??
I saw those endeavors and i think they are self damaging all by themselves. If I were a vendor I would have to wonder... But as a consumer/attendee, it has no affect on me or other attendees..
unfortunately, the 'UNDERLYING reason truly can never be ascertained. The only truely quantifiable issue here is to not tit for tat, at least not on this issue...

In the future on other issues where the outcome is not predicatble, then maybe it not be so 'BLACK and WHITE' and there would be room for mediation in stead of enforcement.

Me too?

lemme clarify the youngster comment, it goes hand in hand with the prior mentioned kindergarten comment being that is the only place it has use.

In a child you can individually point out the start of situations with little effect from prior events. Its a matter of attention span and does not apply the same way to adults.

Please dont take it any other way, there were no insults intended, nor was any of it meant to be passive aggressive digs

Arrrrggg! and I would've gotten AWAY with it TOO, if it weren't for those Meddling KIDS!

(Scooby and the Gang)

Maybe you can see how easy it can be to misconstrue words by this single example. Blaming or using intent is not working here... I perceive it as name calling, is my perception of this foul not as legitimate as yours or others.

This has been used and tried too many time...

The 'who started' does sound like something kids would say. They say it cause they are smart enough to know it is not verifiable, DARN KIDS ARE TOO SMART NOW ADAYS..

But the reality is in grown up world, it is key and paramount to legal matters everyday...

Why the reluctance to use a tool that is already in place is beyond me..

no 'passive aggresive' TITS for passive agressive TATS


Why.. cant you see that it will escalate from the FIRST, unless someone has to leave, or is too busy thatday, or is above it at that moment... but the next time, whn he is in a mood to persue it will be different...

This has been going on for too long to keep trying to play the game.

Dont you want it to stop. Why resist any possible solution??? Especially when the solution is black and white and verifiable..

Is there some reason to avoiding the possible solution? Or is it more likely that past success in baiting will provide reasons under the current , new rules to get what you want???


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Well hope with the new rules in effect this will take a turn for the best.

Where are the rules though?

10/23/08 04:00 PM glOckcOma heard this place is getting taken over by old farts





10/23/08 04:23 PM glOckcOma it smells in this chatroom

10/23/08 04:23 PM glOckcOma it smells in here

I'd like to call the five line rule on several posts.

SteveU

heheheh no fair, you cant make a rule like that afterwards...

maybe it can be rule #4 on the forum rules though...

(hmm, hoping they really dont do it...)

All of you stop fighting consider this a formal warning. Should it continue the measures listed will be enforced.

So this is the formal warning, the warning before this was the informal warning, and if and when I 'infringe' on the rules instead of someone else, then it will be actually enforced???


Some things never change....

i think its VERY obvious the only way to truley end it mods, is to end the sucky users. get rid of them. before the site dies.

Formal rules mean that warnings from informal rules don't always apply.

I personally think the mods have grown leaps and bounds toward being fair and flexible with everyone over this past year. I would be extremely saddened to see that being reversed just to appease a disruptive minority

SO, what comes after FORMAL WARNINGS and FORMAL RULES? Is there another warning name or title, or maybe you can come up with another rule, and then give everyone, (else) another chance and then another unformal warning, then a final formal warning, then...


10/24/08 09:30 PM Onesaltydawg however....I have noticed that a certain Jackass


10/24/08 09:31 PM Onesaltydawg yet he is willing to call people hypocrites and other loving
10/24/08 09:30 PM Onesaltydawg is always kissing others assholes and sucking dicks

10/24/08 09:31 PM Onesaltydawg that is just pure D Bullshit
10/24/08 09:31 PM Onesaltydawg then wants the mods to be in his favor
10/24/08 09:31 PM Onesaltydawg phrases on the phone


10/24/08 09:39 PM Onesaltydawg then try and suck everyones balls here in chat so

10/24/08 09:39 PM Onesaltydawg they go unnoticed all for what

10/24/08 09:40 PM Onesaltydawg to be KING and Queen of the chatbox

10/24/08 09:40 PM Onesaltydawg Watch me one says...I will be top chat poster


10/24/08 09:41 PM Onesaltydawg I am just sick and tired of the two wantabe martyrs


10/24/08 09:42 PM Onesaltydawg If the two I am referring to would just change their
10/24/08 09:43 PM Onesaltydawg tampons and take midol

10/24/08 09:44 PM Onesaltydawg then watching them rant here in chat till a mod shows
10/24/08 09:44 PM Onesaltydawg up then try and suck nuts to everyone in chat

10/24/08 09:47 PM Onesaltydawg Well dipshit...you freckin cant type one sentence....

10/24/08 09:47 PM Onesaltydawg everything you type is a fucking book


10/24/08 09:50 PM Onesaltydawg I was wrong...."He is an ASSFLEA"


It's hard to be a WANNA BE martyr, when you actually ARE a martyr, although that is not a goal of mine, but if it makes a difference here, and gets things, (MODS) to actually DO SOMETHING, then so be it...


BUT, until the mods do take action and show that they mean it, then this will go on, day after day person after person, so everyone can get a turn on the informal warning system in place for those that keep on stirring the crap...

Was this message supposed to actually work???

Did it work before when you tried it??? did it work last year? did it work after I pm'd you and told you it wouldnt work, and who would come back and stir the pot again and again??


For those keeping track: that is three samples of people 'breaking the new rules, the old rules, it didnt matter. I was not online at the time, i did not communicate or participate or conrtibute, or provoke in any of these three samples.

All parties, have been warned before, have read the old rules, and the new rules, and will continue to trash this site to suit thier personal agendas of hate...

I truly dare the mods to take action... To do what some of the members have tried to do, and that is to TAKE BACK THIS FORUM and turn it back into reefing...




Well, some folks will never learn...