cadlights black friday sale
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With what kind of lighting?
I can get you a tank that is exactly like a CAD 50g Artisan with a black or dark cherry stand, skimmer, return pump, all the lockline, 14g 3 stage sump, and the following lighting options:
4x24w t5 for $650 or 150w DE and 2x24w t5 with moonlights for $750
LMK if you want one.
I can get you a tank that is exactly like a CAD 50g Artisan with a black or dark cherry stand, skimmer, return pump, all the lockline, 14g 3 stage sump, and the following lighting options:
4x24w t5 for $650 or 150w DE and 2x24w t5 with moonlights for $750
LMK if you want one.
Depends what you mean by aio. I am looking for a rimless, built in overflow with sump, protein skimmer, and led lights. The one from Cadlights comes with a LED Also, why would one buy a knockoff, just like a Cadlights, from a no name manufacturer, from an individual, for virtually the same price as purchasing from an established company with a track record, a storefront, a reputation to be responsible for, and a warranty. I appreciate the offer and I mean no disrespect, but to me there is no comparison.
These tanks are the SAME as a CADLIGHT, just not plastered with their sticker. Some of the boxes even have their name on them. The company they come from are the main importers of the tanks and everything is exactly the same. As for the LED that they come with they are a complete joke of a lighting system, ask anyone who has owned one. Just offering a good deal on them to whoever whats one. As for warranty they do have one, but have NEVER had an issue with one.
Good luck in whatever way you decide to go.
eace:
Good luck in whatever way you decide to go.
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+1, same exact tanks. Some of the boxes still have Cadlights sticker/name on it.
The real question is, why would someone try make a "knock off" of a cadlight tank, yet alone a knock off of any tank...what is this, a iphone?
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The real question is, why would someone try make a "knock off" of a cadlight tank, yet alone a knock off of any tank...what is this, a iphone?
:bowl:
These tanks are the SAME as a CADLIGHT, just not plastered with their sticker. Some of the boxes even have their name on them. The company they come from are the main importers of the tanks and everything is exactly the same. As for the LED that they come with they are a complete joke of a lighting system, ask anyone who has owned one. Just offering a good deal on them to whoever whats one. As for warranty they do have one, but have NEVER had an issue with one.
Good luck in whatever way you decide to go.eace:
Good luck in whatever way you decide to go.
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Then why is it always advertised as just like or the same as cadlights if it is not a knockoff?. or in craigslist adds they say," not a cadlights." How come whenever I ask who the manufacturer is, no one who sells them will ever answer that question. Why has cadlights repeatedly denied in many posts on this forum that these aquariums are theirs, that theirs are manufactured in the USA not China and have serial numbers on them. I have no problem with another manufacturer making a similar product, just be honest and tell the consumer who makes the product. Why all this secrecy and subterfuge. Why the controversy. There are cars like Honda and companies like Hundai who say they are as good or better than Honda and less expensive, but they are up front about who and what they are. I am just recommending transparency. By the way, I posted this thread just to let those people interested in a cadlights product know they have a good black friday sale on, nothing more. I was not defending them, as I do not work for them, or even own any of their products yet.
Due to legal reasons they cannot be sold as "cadlights" tanks. You aren't getting an answer to the manufacture question because it's cad that does. Only there new 2011 models come with serial numbers on the back. The deny it because they are losing sells having these tanks sold for way less. By the way that price you see as $699 is not for a complete package. Add the stand lights etc. and it comes out to about $900, you may want to go back and look..
Hey everyone.
here are the facts and i hope it can rest many peoples rumors. a few customers have mentioned to us that they wanted us to help set rumors straight so we decided to make an official "Legal Binding" statement here. any further discussion here shall also be documented and used for any references if further Legal action needs to be taken.
Please also use exact names and references for any replies or facts further on from this point.
My name is:
Eddie Liu and i am the owner of the company CAD Lights Aquariums.
Address: 1920 S. Rochester Ave. Bldg #105, Ontario, CA, 91761
Phone: (909)605-1891
some history and facts regarding the 50G Artisan series "cube" designed complete package.
we have released the Artisan series since 2009 from our own factory. All of our Artisan series aquariums are originated from us here in our Ontario California warehouse only. All the tanks and equipment are built both from here and in our own factory in China which includes everything from the tank, lighting, skimmers, sump and all the other equipment etc. these are all products that meet our specific design specs, quality standards etc. and are directly controlled by us and us only. We do all of our own importing, designing and distribution here in Ontario California and do not use any 3rd party companies.
This supposed Craigslist "Manufacturer" did NOT make any parts, tanks, cabinets, skimmers or any other equipment for us nor did they import anything for us either. anybody that is telling you otherwise is misleading you into believing the distorted facts possibly to solicit a sale of these knock-off aquariums to unsuspecting people. we are a very Transparent company that deals directly with the public and are opened to anyone to contact us or come in to see us and how we make and design our products. any legitimate company should also be the same way.
There is no "Source" that we get our products from other than from ourselves and also if anyone tells you that they are making our products for us, getting CAD Lights products from "our source or similar claims, then they are also lying to you".
They are not the same:
Our tanks all come with high quality Low-iron glass which has a blu-ish tint to it. our edges are also High polished and is very shiny and smooth. our tanks all have a trapezoid seamless overflow box and each one is Laser cut with a support tab on the top rim for extra support. we only have made Dark walnut, White gloss and Cherry cabinet for the Artisan series (no other color). as far as for skimmers, we used to use "real" Bubble-Magus skimmers and now we have switched over to our upgraded CAD Lights 2nd generation Conic skimmers. anyone that really has our tanks can easily tell the difference between ours and other tanks. Lighting, we use standard our LED with full dimming controls (remote control) and the 120W LED pendants. only our 22G small nanos will have a 4 bulb T5 unit since it isnt strong enough for a 50G tank.
Factory Backing: do you work for or represent this company? i ask because i notice you have been selling these Knock off tanks for many months and you also seem to "represent" many of the facts you are saying. are any of the tanks/equipment you are selling have our name and logos on them?
Thanks Panman. since our beginnings Honesty, Sincerity and Transparency are all attributes that we respect and value in ourselves and our company as well as anyone that works with us from manufacturing to the honesty we express to the customers themselves. since business is dealing with people, Honesty, Integrity and Respect we believe are the bare minimum.
Thank you
Eddie Liu
CAD Lights Aquariums
here are the facts and i hope it can rest many peoples rumors. a few customers have mentioned to us that they wanted us to help set rumors straight so we decided to make an official "Legal Binding" statement here. any further discussion here shall also be documented and used for any references if further Legal action needs to be taken.
Please also use exact names and references for any replies or facts further on from this point.
My name is:
Eddie Liu and i am the owner of the company CAD Lights Aquariums.
Address: 1920 S. Rochester Ave. Bldg #105, Ontario, CA, 91761
Phone: (909)605-1891
some history and facts regarding the 50G Artisan series "cube" designed complete package.
we have released the Artisan series since 2009 from our own factory. All of our Artisan series aquariums are originated from us here in our Ontario California warehouse only. All the tanks and equipment are built both from here and in our own factory in China which includes everything from the tank, lighting, skimmers, sump and all the other equipment etc. these are all products that meet our specific design specs, quality standards etc. and are directly controlled by us and us only. We do all of our own importing, designing and distribution here in Ontario California and do not use any 3rd party companies.
This supposed Craigslist "Manufacturer" did NOT make any parts, tanks, cabinets, skimmers or any other equipment for us nor did they import anything for us either. anybody that is telling you otherwise is misleading you into believing the distorted facts possibly to solicit a sale of these knock-off aquariums to unsuspecting people. we are a very Transparent company that deals directly with the public and are opened to anyone to contact us or come in to see us and how we make and design our products. any legitimate company should also be the same way.
There is no "Source" that we get our products from other than from ourselves and also if anyone tells you that they are making our products for us, getting CAD Lights products from "our source or similar claims, then they are also lying to you".
They are not the same:
Our tanks all come with high quality Low-iron glass which has a blu-ish tint to it. our edges are also High polished and is very shiny and smooth. our tanks all have a trapezoid seamless overflow box and each one is Laser cut with a support tab on the top rim for extra support. we only have made Dark walnut, White gloss and Cherry cabinet for the Artisan series (no other color). as far as for skimmers, we used to use "real" Bubble-Magus skimmers and now we have switched over to our upgraded CAD Lights 2nd generation Conic skimmers. anyone that really has our tanks can easily tell the difference between ours and other tanks. Lighting, we use standard our LED with full dimming controls (remote control) and the 120W LED pendants. only our 22G small nanos will have a 4 bulb T5 unit since it isnt strong enough for a 50G tank.
Factory Backing: do you work for or represent this company? i ask because i notice you have been selling these Knock off tanks for many months and you also seem to "represent" many of the facts you are saying. are any of the tanks/equipment you are selling have our name and logos on them?
Thanks Panman. since our beginnings Honesty, Sincerity and Transparency are all attributes that we respect and value in ourselves and our company as well as anyone that works with us from manufacturing to the honesty we express to the customers themselves. since business is dealing with people, Honesty, Integrity and Respect we believe are the bare minimum.
Thank you
Eddie Liu
CAD Lights Aquariums
hahahah well sounds like CADlights set that strait! good for them...these "other" people should stop saying their tanks are "same as cadlights" just call them chinese made 50g tanks..and this issue would be over already..and i think spending a couple hundred bucks more for a tank from a legit company with a legit warranty is prolly a little smarter then going with a company that "has a warranty but ive never needed it" anyways thats my 2 cents...
No connections here nor do I represent the company selling the tanks. Since the beginning of this, It caught my interest to search out why a company would "knock off" another manufactures tank, when they can simply make their own. Non of the tanks are being sold as "cad lights".
Eddie, I do have to call you out about your tanks ONLY coming with trapezoid overflows because the older models did not come that way. I've actually searched all over for 50 gallon artisan builds and have found plenty of them with the square/round edge overflow box.
(I.E.;
http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39017
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1835243&page=2 )
Panman, I can tell you love drama.
Eddie, I do have to call you out about your tanks ONLY coming with trapezoid overflows because the older models did not come that way. I've actually searched all over for 50 gallon artisan builds and have found plenty of them with the square/round edge overflow box.
(I.E.;
http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39017
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1835243&page=2 )
Panman, I can tell you love drama.
Panman: Thanks for coming to visit us yesterday, it was great seeing you in person and i hope we were able to help you.
Factory backing:
Thaks for the link. this is another really good example of how our Authentic 50G Artisan can easily be differentiated from the Knock off ones. from the reefcentral link, its actually from one of our really good customers here in Southern California, Richard.
he has bought one of our first versions of the 50G when it first came out a few years ago. the boxes used to be "squared" edges. yet it still shares our similar designs which has seamless edges and the surface skimmers are Laser cut with support tabs on top. you can see that the slits of our surface skimmers do not go all the way up.
it seems that the Knock off versions are simply cut with a table "Saw" rather than a router or Laser cutters. another sign of a lower quality tank as those teeth are much easier to crack off. here are some of the major differences as well on the Knock off versions, such as the weak 4 bulb T5, fake Bubble-Magus skimmer, missing refugium equipment package such as a refugium light or cooling fan. other than these major differences, much of the other differences are in the smaller details.
if you add these things up and you do all the proper upgrades, you will have easily overspent for a comparable tank to ours which is designed to not need any upgrades.
Factory backing: you mentioned the tanks you are selling has our name/logo on the boxes?
CAD Lights Aquariums, Artisan series Aquariums are filed and fully trademarked, protected to the fullest extent of US and international trademark laws. anybody that is listing, selling, displaying, making public representations both verbally or in print on a product that isnt CAD Lights Aquariums on it is violating those laws and can be held accountable punishable to the fullest extent of the law which we will now be pursuing.
Factory backing:
Thaks for the link. this is another really good example of how our Authentic 50G Artisan can easily be differentiated from the Knock off ones. from the reefcentral link, its actually from one of our really good customers here in Southern California, Richard.
he has bought one of our first versions of the 50G when it first came out a few years ago. the boxes used to be "squared" edges. yet it still shares our similar designs which has seamless edges and the surface skimmers are Laser cut with support tabs on top. you can see that the slits of our surface skimmers do not go all the way up.
it seems that the Knock off versions are simply cut with a table "Saw" rather than a router or Laser cutters. another sign of a lower quality tank as those teeth are much easier to crack off. here are some of the major differences as well on the Knock off versions, such as the weak 4 bulb T5, fake Bubble-Magus skimmer, missing refugium equipment package such as a refugium light or cooling fan. other than these major differences, much of the other differences are in the smaller details.
if you add these things up and you do all the proper upgrades, you will have easily overspent for a comparable tank to ours which is designed to not need any upgrades.
Factory backing: you mentioned the tanks you are selling has our name/logo on the boxes?
CAD Lights Aquariums, Artisan series Aquariums are filed and fully trademarked, protected to the fullest extent of US and international trademark laws. anybody that is listing, selling, displaying, making public representations both verbally or in print on a product that isnt CAD Lights Aquariums on it is violating those laws and can be held accountable punishable to the fullest extent of the law which we will now be pursuing.
Thanks for taking my call Eddie and putting out that message.
upgrade costs:
Bubble-Magus NAC-6 ($220) or TIA-1150 ($225), SWC ($250)
LED Light ($350)
refugium light ($25)
cooling fan ($35)
total: $630
cost of peace of mind (warranty, reputable, legitimate company, legal purchase, something to be proud of showing your friends and family) $Priceless
add that on top and if i went that route, i would have spent way too much for a cheap chinese knock off product. imagine spending more on a knock off LV than for a real one LOL. and not to mentioned being scammed on Craigslist.
after seeing your stuff in RAP i was thinking of the 50G cube at first but saw the 70G in person and thought it would fit better. it was a 2 hour drive out but well worth the trip. its awesome and i love it very much.
upgrade costs:
Bubble-Magus NAC-6 ($220) or TIA-1150 ($225), SWC ($250)
LED Light ($350)
refugium light ($25)
cooling fan ($35)
total: $630
cost of peace of mind (warranty, reputable, legitimate company, legal purchase, something to be proud of showing your friends and family) $Priceless
add that on top and if i went that route, i would have spent way too much for a cheap chinese knock off product. imagine spending more on a knock off LV than for a real one LOL. and not to mentioned being scammed on Craigslist.
after seeing your stuff in RAP i was thinking of the 50G cube at first but saw the 70G in person and thought it would fit better. it was a 2 hour drive out but well worth the trip. its awesome and i love it very much.
Not sure what you mean by "cut with table saw" but these are no way made that way, I've attached a picture below of the overflow box that is included. (Yes the overflow box has the inlet on the mid section as well) Also, there is a refugium light and clip on fan, as well as powerheads for water movement included, not sure why you are also saying it's missing things. All bulkheads etc are included as well.
True the skimmer is a look a like of the bubble mag, though it's actually a very good skimmer as I've used with while vodka dosing and it handled it very well.
No tanks are being sold as cadlights, nor do they show cadlights logo anywhere.
True the skimmer is a look a like of the bubble mag, though it's actually a very good skimmer as I've used with while vodka dosing and it handled it very well.
No tanks are being sold as cadlights, nor do they show cadlights logo anywhere.
I'm confused factorybacking. In your first post on this thread on 11/25 you said "same exact tanks and some of the boxes still have Cadlights sticker/name on it." then later that day you say that you can not tell me who manufactures the tanks " because it is cads that does." Then today you post, " no tanks are being sold as Cadlights, nor do they show Cadlights logos anywhere." You also post that this company makes other tanks as well and Alicia Keys tank. Well the manufacturere is either Cadlights or it is not. It cannot be one on 11/25 and a different one today. There are really only two posibilities, you are selling an old model cadlights, or a similar product made by a manufacturer whose name you still will not disclose. From everything I have read it seems likely it is the latter. Either way, it is dishonest at best.
You are correct, drama can be fun, but truth and honesty is what I value. As somone posted earlier, why not just say I am selling a chinese made 50 gallon rimless aquarium setup and this would never have been an issue.
You are correct, drama can be fun, but truth and honesty is what I value. As somone posted earlier, why not just say I am selling a chinese made 50 gallon rimless aquarium setup and this would never have been an issue.
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