Columnaris: Anybody had an experience with it?

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I am feeling sick to my stomach after discovering a white cottony looking growth on my blue tang that is in QT w/ a sailfin and hawkfish due to being new to me and breaking out with ich... To make matters worse, for the first 3 days they were in a different QT with the 3 other fish I got when I got the tangs and hawk (2 banggai cardinals & a mandarin, all 6 from the same tank before I got them) and since the other 3 showed no signs of ich for weeks, I added them to the DT yesterday and now I noticed that one of the cardinals also has the cottony substance on it's mouth!!!

From reading online just now, I am pretty sure it is columnaris and it seems like there is not a lot that could be much worse than this. Since I have already added the other 3 fish to my DT and the banggai seems to have it, I am fearing that my whole tank will be infected by this HIGHLY contagious bacterial infection.

Any suggestions!?!?!?!?

Somebody please help! I am about to completely give up on fish keeping!!! :(
 

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WOW Lindsey your having a rough go of it. I cant help with advice on this one I have no experience with this. I just offering moral support. Hang in there. You've come so far don't stop now. It will get better
 

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UV light? That's the best advice I have for ya. Good luck!
I think I remember reading that she has a uv that she bought from another reefer but that she had to take it out as it was putting stray voltage in the tank. Sucks
 
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I think I remember reading that she has a uv that she bought from another reefer but that she had to take it out as it was putting stray voltage in the tank. Sucks
Yep... and it does suck!
Thanks for the moral support, Chris! :(

Problem is, everything I have read online is about FW Columnaris... There are a few things I have seen about Marine Columnaris, but it is all scientific mumbojumbo that is not in lay mens terms. Seems that Marine Columnaris is pretty rare? But if it is like FW C., it is so highly contagious and there is basically no way to get it out of your tank without starting completely over. I did that not long ago and it REALLY sucked!!! So, I am expecting the worst... For all my fish to get infected and die, one by one, and end up left with just corals and inverts, never to add fish to that tank again. I feel like the reef gods have it in for me :( :( :(
Seems like so many people don't even QT and yet I still have such problems!

Only other option is to tear up my tank catching all the fish and treat them in HT (or find someone who will) and get rid of them since I will have no where to put them but the infected tank after they're cured.

I wonder if the tank is for sure contaminated if the infected cardinal has only been in there for 2 days. Should I try and catch him and put him in the tank with the Hippo, Sailfin, and Hawkfish? Should I leave the Sailfin and Hawk in with the infected Hippo even if they show no signs of infection (since they've already been exposed) or should I remove them and put them somewhere else? Uggghhhh!!!! :frusty:
 
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UV light? That's the best advice I have for ya. Good luck!
I don't know all that much about how the UV works and what it works on... I understand that it helps kill algae spores that pass thru it as well as parasites... The reason I wanted one is to use in my QT in combination with the tank transfer method for ich. I figured if there was any ich inside the fish that made it's way out after doing FW dip and putting the fish into thoroughly cleaned out QT each time, the UV would help kill anything in the water column hopefully before it found a fish host. I wouldn't think a UV would be too effective at killing off the ich (or anything else) in the DT other than just keeping populations down some.
How would it help with columnaris?
 

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I had a seahorse with it......you need to keep them well fed with minimize stress, garlic and fatty acids added to their food.
Good luck.............hope all turns out well. The one displaying the symptoms may not make it but try to keep the others as healthy as possible. The main marine biologist from ocean rider in Hawaii told me that all fish actually carry the disease it's just a matter of their health and disposition that allows it to come out.
 
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I had a seahorse with it......you need to keep them well fed with minimize stress, garlic and fatty acids added to their food.
Good luck.............hope all turns out well. The one displaying the symptoms may not make it but try to keep the others as healthy as possible. The main marine biologist from ocean rider in Hawaii told me that all fish actually carry the disease it's just a matter of their health and disposition that allows it to come out.
Hmmm... interesting. I have never heard of Ocean Rider... What is it?
I emailed Bob Fenner and am waiting to hear back what he suggests doing since his first reply didn't address many of my main questions. I LOVE WWM!!!

Where do you get fatty acids?

I am trying to minimize stress as much as possible, but I'd say that having to be caught, FW dipped, and moved to a new tank every 3 days muct be pretty stressful! I'm gonna quit transferring them from tank to tank (ich treatment if I haven't mentioned before in this thread) since I haven't seen any signs of ich in about a week or so. Hopefully that is done! I was gonna move them to the DT today but then I saw this on the Hippo's mouth. I wish I could get a picture of it, but I don't have a macro lens and my camera isn't the greatest, the lighting in the QT isn't great either, and the hippo is very skiddish when I come to the tank and quickly hides! (no surprise since I am the one costantly catching the poor fish!) It almost looks like he has a fever blister in the corner of his mouth but it is white. It isn't all over his mouth, and I might think that it could be something else like maybe an injury or lymphocystis or something but I am thinking otherwise for 2 reasons... The banggai cardinal that was originally in QT with him looks to have some small white growth on his mouth, too... and my Koran Angel that died a couple months ago had the same symptom and after a week or so, the cotton looking stuff went away and I could see that his mouth had rotted away where it had been and it was red. He only lasted a day or 2 more at that point and got real bloated and couldn't swim right. I originally thought it was lymph on the Koran since he had had it since we first got him on his body and fins, but after I saw how it rotted, I don't believe the stuff on his mouth was lymph. These 6 new fish were in the same QT originally that the Koran had been in when I treated all my fish with copper for ich. I wasn't worried about exposing the new fish to anything in that tank b/c I was sure that the copper had killed the ich and other than the Koran having lymph, there was nothing else (that I knew of at least) affecting my fish... Now I'm wondering if this infection came from that 55 gallon QT they had been in at first.

Do you think it would be best to keep him/them in the 25 gallon QT or add them (or just the other 2 that appear to be healthy) to the DT to minimize stress from being in QT?
 

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