Going Skimmerless with only turf algae scrubber System

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hellooooooooo my reef


Im have gone completly skimmerless now for 5 months now

There shouldn't really be much for a skimmer to do in my tank since my turf algae scrubber is doing the work. I know this is kinda experimental but i have been doing some reading and if i take the right precautions skimmerless can work. The turf algae scrubber most powerful feature is that it leaves food particles in the tank so the corals can feed, yet it removes nitrates and phosphates, most of the time down to zero. This is the OPPOSITE of what a skimmer does; a skimmer removes food particles (so corals starve) and then leaves the nitrate and phosphate in the water so you have to use other methods to get the nitrate and phosphate out. And how about all that gunk that your skimmer pulls out? Well, half of it is food that you just fed, and your corals wanted to eat it. What about the other half, the waste? Well, that's food too! . The reef food consists of relatively few things: zooplankton, phytoplankton, dissolved organics, particulate material, and bacteria and many tanks are low in zooplankton and phytoplankton. That means the other things have to make up the lack. What does your skimmer remove? The rest of the natural food.Are you skimming out unwanted things too? Yes Possibly allelelopathic chemicals, excess metals and excess dissolved organics. but my Activated carbon does the same thing but it leaves the food in the water.

turf algae scrubber is High removal of nitrate and phosphate, low removal of foods its true ! 100% my soft corals are very happy in my tank now.


my 45 gallon reef tank is 100% turf algae scrubber only!


My nitrate and phosphate are zero ......
 
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I have found the same results on my 180 gallon tank.
How often do u have to clean the screen?
How often do u change it lights, what kind?
Any pics?
 
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Thanks for the feed back. Have any sps? Is going skimmerless with a turf scrubber better then just running a refugium?
 
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Thanks for the feed back. Have any sps? Is going skimmerless with a turf scrubber better then just running a refugium?

it allows me to feed very high amounts without causing nuisance algae growth in the tank that a + for me. I have soft corals and a few torch coral, mushrooms, zoas, leather, frogspawns
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't feed corals consistently? I've always been under the assumption that corals just need what's in the water to live, i.e. nitrate and phosphate. Anything else you're dosing is adding to your nitrate/phosphate issue. I'm curious how sps would do in your tank
 
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Am I the only one who doesn't feed corals consistently? I've always been under the assumption that corals just need what's in the water to live, i.e. nitrate and phosphate. Anything else you're dosing is adding to your nitrate/phosphate issue. I'm curious how sps would do in your tank

just Activated carbon only
 
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nice move. so many advantages to biofiltration.

however, IME a good in-sump skimmer + auto neck cleaner + waste line from the collection cup is a lot less work that any biofiltration, over the long run. & Ive tried most of them & the lazy eventually end up with a fossil fuel burning protein skimmer.
 
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Am I the only one who doesn't feed corals consistently? I've always been under the assumption that corals just need what's in the water to live, i.e. nitrate and phosphate. Anything else you're dosing is adding to your nitrate/phosphate issue. I'm curious how sps would do in your tank
In the ocean that may be true justin, im not sure, but wiithout adequate nitrate and phosphate export, nitrate and phosphate are both detrimental to coral growth when too high. Someone correct me if im wrong...
 

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In the ocean that may be true justin, im not sure, but wiithout adequate nitrate and phosphate export, nitrate and phosphate are both detrimental to coral growth when too high. Someone correct me if im wrong...
Hence why we have live rock. It's there for beneficial bacteria to consume N&P and then get skimmed out by your skimmer.
 
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SPS in the wild eat all sorts of "plankton", organics, vitamins, minerals, nutrients, the list is long and marine biologists acknowlege we dont know the full picture- that is why we can culture only a small % of SPS found in the ocean. The Berlin method of filtration was a step forward from the "sterile box" (aka biological wasteland model of plenums and mechanical filters) before it. So any increase in biodiveristy like fuges, biofiltration, IMO organic particles like marine snow are helpful as long as prams a good.

So you provide light which zoxanthellae capture to make sugars as energy. Alk and dissolved minerals are fixed to make the skeleton. what about complex organics / complex carbons? fish poops feeds bacteria that eventually feed something that SPS eat. Usually its not enough thats why most SPS die in aquaria.
 
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