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Hi guys i just started salt water tank last week, 20 g acrylic 24 length x 16 height x 15 width. bak pak hob filter with protein skimmer and about 15 g of live rocks and 20 lbs of live sands. here are my questions.

Should i be using mud for my bak pak refugium hob filter?
what are some hardy fish i can put in without kiling them?
should i mix my own salt water or better of buying them? and yes i have RO water system.
I am cycling my tank right now with a raw dead cocktail shrimp ( was adviced from fish guy) am i doing it right?
when should i start putting fish in? and wats the point of the bakpak filter? it doesn't look like its doing anything but bubbling.
My lighting is 18" fixture with 50/50 power compact at 36 watts. Is this enough? or should i get an addittional t5 14/24watts?


ps. the store salesman recommended the build for the acrylic tank and the bak pak refugium filter.

Thanks in advance for the reply.
 
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For starters...:21:

I can't answer most of what you asked but I can add this...

I use a CPR BAKPAK2 on my 55gal setup and it works well, I'd like more but for a HOB skimmer it works pretty well and from what I've read and experienced it is pretty reliable. Just make sure you clean out the pump occasionally.

You asked about water... you are so much better off making your own it isn't even funny. You will want to get a TDS sensor if you don't already have one so you can monitor your water quality but then you will actually know what you are putting in your tank. Do some research and get a bucket of salt, it will probably be ~$50 but it will make about 140 gallons of salt water. With the price for a gallon of saltwater being about $1 you can see how this will eventually pay for itself. Mixing isn't hard and it lets you decide if you want to make a strong or week batch to compensate for evaporation in your tank. I recommend getting a refractometer, they are more accurate and consistent than any hydrometer.
 
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Mine doesn't have the fuge, just the skimmer with bio-bale.

http://www.marinedepot.com/CPR_Bak_..._Protein_Skimmers-CPR-CR1111-FIPSHOVS-vi.html

I have the maxijet 1200 powering it and I've added an air-stone trying to boost output. My bio-bale has broken down and every time I clean it I lose a few pieces so I have a few handfuls of bio-balls underneath it. Some people swear by miracle mud in the fuge but I've never tried it.
 
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Hi guys i just started salt water tank last week, 20 g acrylic 24 length x 16 height x 15 width. bak pak hob filter with protein skimmer and about 15 g of live rocks and 20 lbs of live sands. here are my questions.

1) Should i be using mud for my bak pak refugium hob filter?
2) what are some hardy fish i can put in without kiling them?
3) should i mix my own salt water or better of buying them? and yes i have RO water system.
4) I am cycling my tank right now with a raw dead cocktail shrimp ( was adviced from fish guy) am i doing it right?
5) when should i start putting fish in? and wats the point of the bakpak filter? it doesn't look like its doing anything but bubbling.
6) My lighting is 18" fixture with 50/50 power compact at 36 watts. Is this enough? or should i get an addittional t5 14/24watts?


ps. the store salesman recommended the build for the acrylic tank and the bak pak refugium filter.

Thanks in advance for the reply.
1) Sorry, not familiar with the product so can't comment on it
2) NO fish are hardy enough to withstand the initial cycling of a new fish tank. The lone frozen shrimp is not necessary however is a much better choice than sacrificing a live fish.
3) Mixing your own saltwater generally requires you to use either Reverse Osmosis (RO) or Deionized water (DI). RO can be purchased from various vending machines around town for this purpose however that means lugging around 5-gallon containers, buying salt, and mixing in a bucket or barrel with a power head. Or, you can buy direct from the local fish store; the end result is the same....only a matter of preference. I higly recommend you purchase a good RO/DI water unit (~$200) that you can use for both this purpose AND for drinking water.
Here is a good thread I created a few years back on this issue:
"RO/DI for Dummies"
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=619925
4) There is no right or wrong here. There are literally THOUSANDS of ways to cycle in a new aquarium. TIME is the most important thing here. Let your equipment run, be patient, and let nature do its thing. A bio additive of some type "may" help speed the cycle a bit, but again, not necessary.
5) Give it at LEAST a month before putting fish in (just a suggestion) so that your tank has time to fully cycle before putting in a live animal. The bakpak is a Foam Franctionating Protein Skimmer, duhhhhh! LOL, (just kidding)
A protein skimmer is probably one of the most crucial components of a healthy aquarium. Its job is to remove disolved liquid proteins from the water column (pollutants, for lack of a better term) via the foaming action of the skimmer; not unlike what the ocean does when waves deposit brownish-looking foam onto a sandy beach. The bi-product produced is called "skimmate" and is meant to be swiftly drank down with a beer chaser if you are truly a committed hobbyist! :top:
(I am absolutely kidding there....DO NOT drink skimmate, LOL) Your BakPak may not be adjusted correcty if you are not producing anything. There should be a tea-colored liquid developing slowly in the collection cup. (perhaps only a few tablespoons per day sometimes) Read the instructions carefully to see how best to adjust it. The fact that you are still cycling is likely why you are not producing anything at the moment, though, so this may be normal.
6) Fish do not require any specific intensity of lighting, so you are good to go. If/when you ever decide to switch to a Reef or combination/hybrid, then that is another story.

MOST IMPORTANT: Read and research as much as you possibly can through the various forums and internet sites. There is a wealth of knowledge out there just waiting for you to discover. Coming here for questions was a great start! :top:

Good luck!

I hope this helps
Good luck
 
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MOST IMPORTANT: Read and research as much as you possibly can through the various forums and internet sites. There is a wealth of knowledge out there just waiting for you to discover. Coming here for questions was a great start! :top:

Good luck!
+1! Do your research and don't necessarily believe everything you hear, especially @ your LFS, they sometimes try to sell you things you don't need, so read up on things before you buy. You will want to impulse buy, it will be hard, but refrain yourself! lol I don't use the Mud because it is a PAIN in the a$$, messy and hard to handle. I use live sand and create a deep sand bed with some live rock rubble in my refugium for bacteria culture and I use Tropic Marin Pro Reef salt which supplements the trace elements so there is no need for mud. No fish for a week! Be PATIENT! Use Ro/Di water to ensure your putting the cleanest water in your tank. This will help keep algae down and just generally keep your tank a lot cleaner and prevent your tank from getting dirty faster. Lighting depends on what kind of saltwater tank you want, just fish and your light is ok, but if you want a coral reef tank then I suggest metal halides, but then you might need a chiller. Find out what kind of tank you want first and work from there! There is plenty of knowledge on here so just ask.... Hope this helps.
 

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hahah i almost drank some skimmate reading your reply MadMax jk jk, Pheww that stuff stinks. hahah i was thinking about it and i decided to get a cleaning crew after i am done recycling, then some mushroom and colt coral. But first i just found a deal for t5 single bulb+fixture for 38 bucks so i am going to get that. unless someone around fountain valley is selling their t5 lighting. does that sound like a good plan to start off?
cycling --> coral -->fish good? or bad?
 
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I would hold off on the corals until you cycle the tank and support some basic fish for a while. If you want to start with corals don't spend much on them, a $100+ mushroom rock will get killed off just as easy as a healthy $5 frag.
 
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Patiense, don't rush the cycling process and mud would be good for refugium, what i can recomment is a good test kit as an initial investment, with a small water volume water chemistry can swing fast good or bad.
 
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I heard alot of about using mud for refugium, it must be pretty good huh. will i need to change the mud out often? can you give me some info on how to use the mud? thx

In my fuge I have an area built for the mud. I've heard you want it in a very low flow area to keep the mud from rising. I also have 1" of mud in the main bay of my refugium with about 1/4" of sand on top of it and some live rocks on top of that. You can use little Tupperware dishes and place them in the fuge. just a suggestion
 
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ahhh mud would rise? i prob will mess up and the mud will rise haha, btw which pump do you use for your refugium mistalanious?
I actually have two pumps. One pump feeds through my chiller and thats a MAG9 but I also have a 5400gph small jacuzzi pump that feeds the other 4 bulkheads. The tank I have is a 135gallon. The mud isn't bad as long as you do it right. It definitely is fun because of all the cool little creatures you get growing in your tank.
 

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