How much kalkwasser to dose daily

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Hi starting to use kalkwasser and doser to dose my 60-gallon tank. I started slow from 50ml to 600ml now but can't maintain alkalinity above 9dKH. I just mix 1.5 teaspoons for 1 gallon of RODI, no stirrer. 600ml a day seems like a lot to me, is it safe to dose more than that for 60-gallon mixed reef? The tank has nnly a few small SPSs, dozen LPSs and about 150 polyps of zoas. Also, tank is new only 6-month old. The SPSs look happy I think (long polyp extensions) and PH is 8.3 mostly. Magnesium is about 1400. Thanks.
 

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So in my experience you can either up the dose but not to exceed the natural daily evaporation of your system. Or you can dose a more concentrated slurry to your tank.

I am running a Kalk reactor by avast and I dose about a cup every two weeks to it.
 

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So in my experience you can either up the dose but not to exceed the natural daily evaporation of your system. Or you can dose a more concentrated slurry to your tank.
So 600ml for 60-gallon tank daily is not too much?
 
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Alk of 9 is a great! Why do youvwant it higher? How much totaly depends on your system. 600ml does not sound like that much to me. I dose 3000ml a day minimum in my 300 gallon
 

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Alk of 9 is a great! Why do youvwant it higher? How much totaly depends on your system. 600ml does not sound like that much to me. I dose 3000ml a day minimum in my 300 gallon
I want to reach 9 but it always below 8, and when that happens I manually add the concentrated carbonate solution to bring it up above 8dKH.
 

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I dose about 5000 ml a day I just did the math

my tank is about 150 gallons total water volume
 

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Sounds like you got your answer. I was dosing 6500ml (2 tsp per gallon) a day in a 210g. When I transferred over to 2 part it equalled 95ml a day of A and B. To keep ph high make sure your reservoir is sealed pretty well. I use a 5 gallon jug with the hole slightly larger than the hard tubing I use to draw the solution with. Open air container and the ph of the solution drops overtime.
 

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Sounds like you got your answer. I was dosing 6500ml (2 tsp per gallon) a day in a 210g. When I transferred over to 2 part it equalled 95ml a day of A and B. To keep ph high make sure your reservoir is sealed pretty well. I use a 5 gallon jug with the hole slightly larger than the hard tubing I use to draw the solution with. Open air container and the ph of the solution drops overtime.
Oh, I didn't know that it has to be airtight. I use a tall 2-gallon food container with a 1/4 inch bulkhead, but I also drilled a small air hole thinking that it would help the suction of the pump.
 
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Oh, I didn't know that it has to be airtight. I use a tall 2-gallon food container with a 1/4 inch bulkhead, but I also drilled a small air hole thinking that it would help the suction of the pump.
U want it to be minimal air exposure so C02 does not enter you solution driving down ph. Fully saturated kalk is 12.45 ph more expose to co2 can drop it to 10.2 ish
 

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I'm sure you're fine. You can't have it air tight or your pump will fail to pull the fluid, or your container will collapse/implode as the solution is pulled out. A small air hole is exactly what you want. I just drilled my hole for the tubing slightly larger, same thing really.
 
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My 50g tank dosed 2200 mL yesterday, and that is about average.

The thing is, the amounts will not be consistent from you to someone else, and it is wildly misunderstood. It really is dependent on the pH of your Kalk solution and on what you do to make sure it maintains that pH and does not degrade over time. How you are storing your kalk before it is put into the solution, how it is being mixed, if the top of the solution is covered, how much it is agitated, can all change the effectiveness of kak and require a change of dose to maintain proper levels.

If your kalk solution is at a pH of 12.4 then you might need 600mL, but if the solution falls to a pH of 12.2 you might need 1200mL to have the same affect, or more. The power of hydrogen is measured in units of 10x, so the pH of the solution has a major impact on it's effectiveness.

One easy safeguard you can put in place if you are running an Apex of other monitoring device is to set the dosing pump to turn off if the pH of the tank exceeds 8.4 and to turn back on if it is under say 8.2. Some people are even more precise but I have found that to be good enough.

Also you will want to try to dose at night, when the pH drops, and then during the day until it rises. My doser typically starts at 11pm and will dose until about noon.

For dosing kalk I personally prefer to monitor it by pH value and not Alk value. It is easier to monitor and more consistent for me. I have found at around the 7 month mark I had to start supplementing calcium as well, to keep the sticks happy.

If you really want to do a deep dive into Kalk dosing monitored by pH look up Chris Meckley from ACI Aquaculture. Dude has a ton of interviews and videos out there. He's a fun listen/watch as well.
 

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My 50g tank dosed 2200 mL yesterday, and that is about average.

The thing is, the amounts will not be consistent from you to someone else, and it is wildly misunderstood. It really is dependent on the pH of your Kalk solution and on what you do to make sure it maintains that pH and does not degrade over time. How you are storing your kalk before it is put into the solution, how it is being mixed, if the top of the solution is covered, how much it is agitated, can all change the effectiveness of kak and require a change of dose to maintain proper levels.

If your kalk solution is at a pH of 12.4 then you might need 600mL, but if the solution falls to a pH of 12.2 you might need 1200mL to have the same affect, or more. The power of hydrogen is measured in units of 10x, so the pH of the solution has a major impact on it's effectiveness.

One easy safeguard you can put in place if you are running an Apex of other monitoring device is to set the dosing pump to turn off if the pH of the tank exceeds 8.4 and to turn back on if it is under say 8.2. Some people are even more precise but I have found that to be good enough.

Also you will want to try to dose at night, when the pH drops, and then during the day until it rises. My doser typically starts at 11pm and will dose until about noon.

For dosing kalk I personally prefer to monitor it by pH value and not Alk value. It is easier to monitor and more consistent for me. I have found at around the 7 month mark I had to start supplementing calcium as well, to keep the sticks happy.

If you really want to do a deep dive into Kalk dosing monitored by pH look up Chris Meckley from ACI Aquaculture. Dude has a ton of interviews and videos out there. He's a fun listen/watch as well.
Thank you very much for the detailed response. I raise my dosing level to 1000ml a day now but my pH goes up to 8.45 during the day and it scares me :). The alkalinity is still at about 8.15 dKH, it makes me think that my measure instruments are not very accurate 😅
 
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With the amount of corals you have, you don’t need to dose anything. Just your weekly water changes will do the trick. I myself like my DKH at 9-9.5 only because I have Acros, LPS and a few small SPS really is fine with water changes


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