I want to do the 1 Gallon VASE tank!

[Jhuneke]

This thread has me hooked now! Love the idea of a tiny reef.. My question is temp control. I have an 8 gl seahorse nano and struggle with keeping temps low enough. True , most of my issue is due to the return pumps generating heat. Do you find temps a challenge on a setup so tiny?


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[Reefnoobie12]

With no pumps an AC and a heater I feel like it should be stable

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[watchguy123]

I enjoyed the articles, not so much this thread. Always exciting when adding new techniques and experience. Not so exciting for rap sentences and bravado. good luck Not sure exactly that you are rewriting the books though, but it is interesting. I think I understand the salt creep/protein skimmer concept though. Learning is supposed to be fun, I am signing off the thread for now, not enjoying the pounding.

 

[brandon429]

I enjoyed the articles, not so much this thread. Always exciting when adding new techniques and experience. Not so exciting for rap sentences and bravado. good luck Not sure exactly that you are rewriting the books though, but it is interesting. I think I understand the salt creep/protein skimmer concept though. Learning is supposed to be fun, I am signing off the thread for now, not enjoying the pounding.


perhaps the takeaway is be careful what you call out? or how, ask questions, dont accuse
no prob

any more doubters holla pls Ill be nicer.

The call out was saying I was lying-just showing abundantly thats not the case. reef nerd here, no lie!!

 

[Reefnoobie12]

For real I was just trying to talk about my build hahaha

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[watchguy123]

Pico reefs are cool although I know very little about them. Read the article posted and some others. Lots of fact and fiction is intermixed in all reef information seemingly. I think the biology must be fascinating. It has a little too much of a Petri dish / biology soup mix look for my esthetics. Pretty amazing that life grows and succeeds in this "micro environment" or should I say "pico environment . I thought my tank look crowded.

Reefing on a different scale! Congrats on one of the wildest and craziest "tanks" that I've ever seen pictured

perhaps the takeaway is be careful what you call out? see ya Sir. no prob

any more doubters holla pls Ill be nicer.

Sounds like you got me confused with someone else. But your etiquette nonetheless is lacking. Its a hobby, its supposed to be enjoyable. and learning from each other is a joy or at least should be

 

[brandon429]

you are responding to my comments to oredith, oredith did the calling out, I did the linking.
sorry the wording offended. am meeting a challenge thats all.

Reefnoob you are right Im going back to edit some linked stuff out so it doesnt distract

post your build pics we will tune this think like a fine stratocaster. Ill try to leave in only what is pertinent to vase running.

 

[oredith]

part of the problem is that your sentence structure is really difficult to understand. I couldn't tell if you were talking about your own tank, or some hypothetical tank that isn't your's, and you're just spouting off information.

it's pretty interesting vase tank you have, now that i have understood that the linked tank is YOUR'S (would have been helpful if you just said "hey, check out what this 3rd party wrote about MY tank")

it's also perception - you come into a new forum and start with essentially "hold onto your pants, i'm going to drop some knowledge on you and show that you know nothing, and i'm better than you", it's not going to be well received.

so, back to a real question: how do you control the temperature? here in socal, very very hot days are a very real concern, and a vase with that small volume will easily hit 95-degrees in my house.

 

[Reefnoobie12]

I see a half gallon in petsmart right now

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[Reefnoobie12]

And a plastic one gallon

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[brandon429]

Oredith I saw it differently. I never said Im dropping anything as you caption, calling bs means you call someone a liar but we hadnt talked as I mainly lurk here you can see, its cool.
A different track for the thread might have read -how- did the vase...

its ok we know type doesnt convey intent all the time. sticking to aquariums only w solve anything

temps, depends on light you know. as stated since there are no pumps in the vase, heat is counteracted again to some degree, but for a vase plan on them running 1-2 degrees above ambient

Im on old power compacts from the 90s on my vase, I bet you guys and gals w the led's run cooler, lift the light up a bit if not. fanning doesnt hurt much in an evap restricted pico, you may deskfan if temps in Arizona arent as forgiving as they are here near amarillo tx

so that means in a house that stays 75 you are good w no extra fanning

but the sealed reefs run -hot- and need to be fanned depending on locale. Clearly we've addressed the need for sumps as well

 

[oredith]

so that means in a house that stays 75 you are good w no extra fanning

but the sealed reefs run -hot- and need to be fanned depending on locale.

my house in the shade is regularly at 85 on summer days, and the water gets easily in to the 90s. i know, because that's exactly what i experienced every day for several month last year with my 12g nano, which meant that I had to put a fan over it to utilize evaporative cooling.

when you evaporate ~2 gallons a day from a 12 gallon system, your salinity fluctuates A LOT.

which is why i was very skeptical of your claim that a 1gal system without ATO can maintain a stable salinity.

i guess the variable we're missing here is that you probably have the tank in an air conditioned space, whereas a lot of us socal people do not have air conditioning because it doesn't get prohibitively hot like it does in AZ or TX

 

[Reefnoobie12]

Ok so I guess there is no such thing as a vase in Arizona so I'm thinking about doing something crazy like this

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[Reefnoobie12]

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[brandon429]

Oredith good call

I cannot possibly tell you how rotten spoiled we must be

are you saying the inside of your house gets to 85 at any time

if my house gets to 78 some people are being called in a mad fury but thats for personal comfort from a guy with a little midsection fat, not for reefing lol.

that truly explains the thought process, I dont even think fanning could keep up if ambients are above 79


RN

we gotta chat about those vases, its not the same

 

[Reefnoobie12]

I know lol

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[brandon429]

RN

Those vases will work as a reef, but with major differences that affect salinity. thats experimental, mines for sure, you have to choose.
drilling these is -hard- without ruining them, my lids are plastic those are glass, see some work coming


Gentleman Mark, Warlion on this site, did the drilling of the vase on my article and he made those pictures I have no glass drilling skills so a plastic lid is where i route incoming wires. Warlions drill into hobby glass was amazing, I used the grouping he shows on his Flickr page because as he and I chatted about vases he mentioned having that ability to drill, I was amazed at the carefulness required



your challenges in using nonstandard vases for reefs are salinity and scaping

salnity control above all, the lid interface I use has been R and D'd

experimenting with new approaches is great, but not guaranteed. there's always room to improve, so anyone who finds a better lid interface will get the benefit of an airstone degassing their tank like we do in aquaculture, and even more reduced salinity flux.

regardless of the pico shape you use, mark your .023 water change water line level with a magic marker dot on the outside of your tank

as the tank evaporates, and the salinity climbs, that dot will be above your water line. add distilled to bring back, depending on size of tank you'll see the max distance before topoff.

 

[Reefnoobie12]

I'll be sticking to softies lol

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[brandon429]

if you bought a vase you liked, you could at a minimum try it as this is no big inv

you'll know solely off the salinity flux and you'll know within a day.

 

[SanClementeEric]

And being out of California, you could use Caulerpa which would grow fast.

This looks fun! I'd like to see this work out for ya if I had a suggestion, it would be to grow some display macro in there as well( maybe even a few mangroves poking out the top ) it is excellent nutrient export and has done wonders for WQ in the SH tank. Looks cool too! keep thread updated as ya go, fingers crossed!