Is this a real Picasso Onyx Perc???
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That would be sweet if we could just ask the fish!! We need to find the fish wisperer dang it!!
Puff, As much as we both agree it is a prime example of Mr.Picasso's abstract art, this one however, is on the books as a Snowflake. We are working on a few hybrids that should be pretty amazing if we can pull it off without the imbreeding aspect. We want beautiful Clowns that are healthy and you loose a lot of the vitality of the fish when you imbreed them to get the color morphs you want. I will update our breeding thread as we move forward and start to see progress. It may be awhile since we just moved the whole setup and pissed off the Clowns. But I think they like Phoenix so far
Puff, As much as we both agree it is a prime example of Mr.Picasso's abstract art, this one however, is on the books as a Snowflake. We are working on a few hybrids that should be pretty amazing if we can pull it off without the imbreeding aspect. We want beautiful Clowns that are healthy and you loose a lot of the vitality of the fish when you imbreed them to get the color morphs you want. I will update our breeding thread as we move forward and start to see progress. It may be awhile since we just moved the whole setup and pissed off the Clowns. But I think they like Phoenix so far
Well since your tone has now turned condescending, I'm not sure how far we will get on this issue. I have 12 pairs of clownfish that I breed. This includes designer clowns. So yes honey, I think I have a good grasp of clownfish genetics. I know exactly what you are saying. I just don't agree.
When I said it looked more like an Onyx, I was referring to the dark coloration of the Percula clownfish that Rod's most commonly refers to as Onyx. So when you said this
I think you were the one missing something. I don't necessarily think this is a Black Ice. I of course have no way of knowing, but I think the way the black is developing it resembled an Onyx percula more so than a Black Ice ocellaris.
DESIGNER NAMES are based on coloration,and species. But SPECIES is not based on coloration. You cannot always determine the SPECIES of a clown by coloration. So for you to say this
Is an opinion. There are picassos that have similar coloration to the Snowflake. The picassos you posted are stereotypical, high grade picassos. But as a breeder you SHOULD know that not all picassos look the same. To classify a fish's species by what designer clownfish it most resembles is not accurate.
A Black Ice clownfish is ONLY a true Black Ice clown if it is a Darwin ocellaris X snowflake mix. It cannot be a Black Ice just because it has dark coloration. If a snowflake has a ton of black on it but did not come from a Darwin parent, then it is NOT a Black Ice.
So this statement is incorrect:
Designer names are NOT based on color alone, but also on the species they come from.
In this statement you contradict yourself. First you say names are based on color ALONE, but now you are saying it is "all based on genetics," so who is missing something now?
Sorry OP for getting into this rant. I just hate that someone wants to come on here in a condescending manner and claim to know what kind of clownfish you have, putting you down in the process.
I cannot say one way or another what kind of clownfish this is, I can only share my experience.
When I said it looked more like an Onyx, I was referring to the dark coloration of the Percula clownfish that Rod's most commonly refers to as Onyx. So when you said this
I think you were the one missing something. I don't necessarily think this is a Black Ice. I of course have no way of knowing, but I think the way the black is developing it resembled an Onyx percula more so than a Black Ice ocellaris.
DESIGNER NAMES are based on coloration,and species. But SPECIES is not based on coloration. You cannot always determine the SPECIES of a clown by coloration. So for you to say this
Is an opinion. There are picassos that have similar coloration to the Snowflake. The picassos you posted are stereotypical, high grade picassos. But as a breeder you SHOULD know that not all picassos look the same. To classify a fish's species by what designer clownfish it most resembles is not accurate.
A Black Ice clownfish is ONLY a true Black Ice clown if it is a Darwin ocellaris X snowflake mix. It cannot be a Black Ice just because it has dark coloration. If a snowflake has a ton of black on it but did not come from a Darwin parent, then it is NOT a Black Ice.
So this statement is incorrect:
Designer names are NOT based on color alone, but also on the species they come from.
In this statement you contradict yourself. First you say names are based on color ALONE, but now you are saying it is "all based on genetics," so who is missing something now?
Sorry OP for getting into this rant. I just hate that someone wants to come on here in a condescending manner and claim to know what kind of clownfish you have, putting you down in the process.
I cannot say one way or another what kind of clownfish this is, I can only share my experience.
First off, I didnt put anyone down. Second, I said there was no way to tell unless we knew what he original parents of the fish are.
Condescending? Realy? You havent even seen me get started. Do some research, the clown in question is a Snowflake. This thread has turned into nothing short of beating a dead horse now. It is simple, OP asked a question and gave very little info on the Clown. Based on what was posted it ends at the Clown being a Snowflake PERIOD. By the way, both of our Snowflakes are true Blackice having a Darwin mother and Snowflake father, they are gene carriers and both will not show the same typical black color, as of now the male is showing the black and the female is not.
And I guess you missed the pictures posted of the Clown in question that shows black (Ocellaris) eyes. So do you still think it is an onyx Perc?
Condescending? Realy? You havent even seen me get started. Do some research, the clown in question is a Snowflake. This thread has turned into nothing short of beating a dead horse now. It is simple, OP asked a question and gave very little info on the Clown. Based on what was posted it ends at the Clown being a Snowflake PERIOD. By the way, both of our Snowflakes are true Blackice having a Darwin mother and Snowflake father, they are gene carriers and both will not show the same typical black color, as of now the male is showing the black and the female is not.
And I guess you missed the pictures posted of the Clown in question that shows black (Ocellaris) eyes. So do you still think it is an onyx Perc?
I never said the clown was an Onyx perc I said the black coloration resembled it. I'm not going to keep going back and forth having to repeatedly point out the inconsistancy in the answers being given. I just thought it would be interesting to have a discussion on this, but its not much of a discussion when people refuse to have an open mind. I am in no way an expert, but I'm not claiming to be. I am not claiming that my opinion is fact. Just thought my opinion may help the OP but at this point, I'm stepping away from the thread. Hope you get the answers you seek!
