Lowest cost and easiest way to eliminate green hair, bubble, turf and slime algae

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These LEDs are 1watt LEDs right? Besides, I am not a big fan of MeanWell drivers. They ask that we calibrate them before usage. By the way, the heat sink is still missing in the list and without proper enclosure, the whole thing is kind of ugly. I guess I will go with the 2700k bulb and a good reflector. The cheapest solution that have been ignoring :)
 

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Wow, I didn't think there would be so many haters. I have used the waterfall design before, converted from using a skimmer, GFO, and Carbon. Although the before had worked with some adjustments the price of GFO and carbon and initial start up are way more than a simple scrubber. I ended up going completely scrubber after about 1 month.

The only people who have not had success with these are those who, have not tried it, or who have set it up incorrectly.

Give it a shot before you say it isn't worth it.

Keep up the good fight SM. :D
 
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Drip kalk. Maintain high dissolved oxygen levels. Done.
Sometimes. I'm a big fan of kalk and it works wonders. But, where ATS works in my experience, is with older tanks. I've had SW tanks on and off since the early 70's. Looked at ATS in action at Inland Aquatics in Indiana. I've run filters with diatomaceous earth, all kinds of skimmers, sun lit tanks, blah, blah, I know. But, I run a ATS and it kicks a$$. Less money on GFO (I do skim, run GFO, drip kalk etc on 2 other tanks) I'm thinking about the upflow but still not convinced.
 
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Sometimes. I'm a big fan of kalk and it works wonders. But, where ATS works in my experience, is with older tanks. I've had SW tanks on and off since the early 70's. Looked at ATS in action at Inland Aquatics in Indiana. I've run filters with diatomaceous earth, all kinds of skimmers, sun lit tanks, blah, blah, I know. But, I run a ATS and it kicks a$$. Less money on GFO (I do skim, run GFO, drip kalk etc on 2 other tanks) I'm thinking about the upflow but still not convinced.
Yes, it works. But the OP was asking "lowest cost and easiest". An ATS is neither low cost, nor easy, particularly if you consider the alternatives. All an ATS is is a nutrient sink, and an oxygen reactor. In my opinion, I just don't like the complexity.

Many people run reef tanks without enough water movement, and closed hoods, and / or closed stands. Combine it with lower levels of lighting, and you are basically creating a nuisance algae paradise with low alkalinity and high carbon dioxide levels. Better to fix the underlying problems, and NOT have to use an ATS, then to add one more system (and one more point of failure) to your reef tank. Personal opinion.

And I'm sure you learned the hard way... never use DE in an organic system :) I've got it in my swimming pool filter, but I'm sure you had no end of problems with it in a reef system :)
 
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Yes, it works. But the OP was asking "lowest cost and easiest". An ATS is neither low cost, nor easy, particularly if you consider the alternatives. All an ATS is is a nutrient sink, and an oxygen reactor. In my opinion, I just don't like the complexity.

Many people run reef tanks without enough water movement, and closed hoods, and / or closed stands. Combine it with lower levels of lighting, and you are basically creating a nuisance algae paradise with low alkalinity and high carbon dioxide levels. Better to fix the underlying problems, and NOT have to use an ATS, then to add one more system (and one more point of failure) to your reef tank. Personal opinion.

And I'm sure you learned the hard way... never use DE in an organic system :) I've got it in my swimming pool filter, but I'm sure you had no end of problems with it in a reef system :)
Yeah I've learned lots of things the hard way in this hobby, hahahaha. That filter was supposedly the "cure all" back in the 70's for parasites, ich, etc. for FO system. No reef tanks back then but I did run two temperate climate tanks with CA coastal invert's: abalone, anemones, crabs, and an octopus tank with primitive skimmers/box filters with carbon and filter floss, lol.

I agree with your assessment of what we do wrong. I run high alk, high ph, open top tanks, etc. But ime ATS is a excellent nutrient sink, slightly more work than cleaning a skimmer cup, consumes less electricity than a skimmer, GFO reactor, etc and saves me $ on materials. I also believe ATS or refugium's - mud systems do not strip our tanks of needed nutrients while removing phosphates and nitrates unlike skimmers/pellets etc. But, hey, to each their own in this crazy hobby.
 
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Yeah I've learned lots of things the hard way in this hobby, hahahaha. That filter was supposedly the "cure all" back in the 70's for parasites, ich, etc. for FO system. No reef tanks back then but I did run two temperate climate tanks with CA coastal invert's: abalone, anemones, crabs, and an octopus tank with primitive skimmers/box filters with carbon and filter floss, lol.

I agree with your assessment of what we do wrong. I run high alk, high ph, open top tanks, etc. But ime ATS is a excellent nutrient sink, slightly more work than cleaning a skimmer cup, consumes less electricity than a skimmer, GFO reactor, etc and saves me $ on materials. I also believe ATS or refugium's - mud systems do not strip our tanks of needed nutrients while removing phosphates and nitrates unlike skimmers/pellets etc. But, hey, to each their own in this crazy hobby.
Well, if you've made a mistake, I've probably made the same one, or worse :) I'm all about the KISS principle now. If it can break, it WILL break, or flood, or burn out, or crash, or short, or spill, or clog :) I look at my tank and ask "will this tank crash if it goes 24 hours without electricity, and then the electricity comes back on? If the answer is "yes" I need to change something. You should see my koi filter; the entire thing is an over-speced reverse-flow bead filter with a blower and in-line UV. I can turn it off, blow out the media bed, back-flush it, rinse it, and have it back online in about 10 minutes without seeing a drop of water, LOL.

My take on ATS - if you are dialed in enough (as an aquarist) to be able to set one up and manage it properly, you probably don't need it :) In other words, you probably know other paths to the same result that are less time and labor intensive. I'm not as big a fan of secondary denitrification systems, either (in general) because I know I will always figure some way to aggravate my anaerobic bacteria, get them to produce a lot of sulfur dioxide, and crash my system. They work, I just don't want the hassle, and the penalty for failure can be a big one (though I keep refugiums for pods, macro algae, hospital tank, etc).

Again, I'm being really careful to say THEY DO WORK. They just require a lot of TLC that may be better put to use elsewhere on your system.
 

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Hi Bryan,

1 more question. I plan to have 4 3W red LEDs in the 4 corners of the heat sink, but I am thinking of putting 1 blue 455nm in the center of these 4 LEDs. Should I do that or just use the red LEDs only? I read some where and the blue stimulate growth and the red stimulate flowers for plants.

Thank you
Vu
 
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Hi Bryan,

I just finished my the algea scrubber. tomorrow will be my day 1 on this journey. It took me a while to collect all the parts :); I have a 28 gal nano cube, so when I remove the filter media, the water is kind of over flowing down already. I add an air stone connected to a small bubble maker at the bottom of the tank and I see a lot of bubbles. Not sure this will block the light or not. Should I just use a hose like yours?
By the way, how often should I change the water now or not at all???? You said that you have stopped changing water for a while because the scrubber does all the cleaning. Do you have coral or just fish? After a while the calcium in the water will be gone if you do not change the water right?

Anyway, thanks to all your support.

Vu
 

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Bubbles will not block the light.

Using a sliced hose requires that you can reach it to adjust the slices. You might be better with an airstone.

If you have no other filters, change 30% water per week until your screen grows full.

My SW is coral, my FW is fish.

Yes you need to add calcium, alk, and mag. Maybe strontium.
 

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Some success stories of people using waterfall algae scrubbers on different sites:

Aydee on the scrubber site: "I'm going to call this a success. My nitrates had been sitting steady at about 10 or so for over a year. For it to drop to undetectable in 2 weeks.. THAT is impressive. I have got my skimmer running still, but once my ATS is running, I'll turn off the skimmer (not remove.. Yet....) If situation remains excellent as the trend currently is, I'll remove the skimmer. However, I came into ATS thinking "It can't hurt, as I'll keep my skimmer running" and now I'm thinking "WOAH! They're right!".
Obviously, the proof will be in 2 years time, ATS sans skimmer.. But.. So far, the numbers are fantastic."

Robert_Patterso on the RC site: "Best thing I have ever put on any of my tanks in over 25 years of being in the hobby"

Pskelton on the RC site: "I personally have not done a water change in 6 months ever since I implemented my scrubber. long story short my tank was a mess, kid dumped container of food in tank. I got a snow flake eel that dug up my sand bed and I was running a very under powered cheep skimmer. This lead to my nitrates peeking at 160. I did water changes for a while but the nitrate just keep coming back up to 160. The water changes were getting expensive and I was about to give up when I tried the scrubber. Within a few weeks nitrate dropped to 60 and slowly came down from there. As of my test last week I am finally at 0 nitrate and I haven't done a water change in six months. The protean skimmer has been removed and my tank is healthier than ever. I am just waiting for the algae on my rocks to finish dieing off."

Murph on the scrubber site: "my ATS is coming along fine. I think I spent about 30 bucks making it. When I compare that to the thousand or more I have spent on skimmers over the past ten years or so that made little to no difference when it came to nuisance algae in the display I want to pull my hair out. My ATS has out done them all in a matter of a few months."

Spotter on the RC site: "Nitrate Day 1: 5ppm, Week 1: 0ppm, Week 2: 0ppm. P04 Day 1: .035,
Week 1: .015, Week 2: .0092 I am liking this very much."

JohnnyB_in_SD on the RC site: "I feed about 6-7 cubes a day on a 100gl tank, and 10-12 cubes two days a week when I do the nems & corals too. N&P have been undetectable since I started using ATS, which is a mickey mouse rubber maid tub version. Since I am always looking for the easiest way to do everything, I will continue cleaning the whole screen once a week. For me, it was a real struggle maintaining water quality with just a fuge: starving my fish, super skimming, massive weekly water changes - just to keep Nitrates near 20ppm and Phosphate under 1.0. That all went away with an ATS, the hobby is much more enjoyable and not a huge chore."

Thedude657 on the scrubber site: "So my screen finally filled out with greenish algae. Water quality is excellent and now I have all sorts of cool things growing on my live rock. Little white sponges are popping up everywhere, some stuff I have no clue what it is yet. Just wanted to say thanks to help me get started."

Chrisfraser05 on the RC site: "I just wanted to jump in and say after bumping into Santamonica on a forum a while back and also watching Lafishguys videos I started a marine tank [8 months ago]. Obviously I started my first tank with a DIY algae scrubber and have NEVER seen either nitrate or phosphate."

Redneckgearhead on the scrubber site: "Heres the pics of my HA problem. [algea all over]These where taken just before I added my scrubber. I had tried EVERYTHING nothing helped. I paid a small fortune for a skimmer that I was told would surely take care of the problem. The HA laughed and kept on growing. My lights where down to 3 hours a day, my fish where only fed a small amount every two to three days, I was doing 10 percent water changes twice a week. And keep in mind those picks are only about 3 days growth, I would remove about 80 percent of the HA during my water changes. These are pics I took today just before my weekly water change. [almost no algae] I am feeding daily, my fish are now fat and happy. My scrubber is working beautifully! I am so glad I found out about scrubbers. I am still using my skimmer, but I may take it off line as soon as all the HA is gone. From the looks of things that shouldn't be much longer."

Fragglerocks on the RC site: "Ive gotten rid of 95% of all "bad" algae in the DT and my P04 Level is 0.12 checked by Hanna meter. Nitrates - Zero. I feed the equivalent of 2 frozen cubes per day, along with pellets whenever I think about it. up to 2 times per day."

Scrubit on the scrubber site: "have been running a scrubber-only 90gal tank for over a year now with great success. [...] I was ready to buy a big ol skimmer for my new tank build when I came across some of the info SM had posted. That was all it took, and I've never looked back. NEVER had algae in DT, NEVER had readable nitrates/phos after cycle, and have probably changed out maybe 40gal of water since setup. Personally I find running a scrubber almost as fun as the tank itself!"

Psyops on the RC site: "I had a DSB and chaeto fuge. When I added a ATS, the chaeto disappeared. I don't know if the DSB is doing anything. I feed my fish and tank from 1-2 times daily depending on my schedule. The ATS is doing really well, especially when I added a Calcium reactor 3 months ago. I did not believe some of the stuff people were saying on how effective an ATS system could be, but they were mostly correct."

JohnnyBinSD on the RC site: "I finally got around to putting an ATS on my tank 3 weeks ago. Just harvested a pile of algae off it tonight. In those 3 weeks I have doubled the amount of daily food I put in the tank, run the skimmer 6 hours/day instead of 24/7, and removed the lighting from the chaeto in the old fuge. Nitrates & phosphates are undetectable, algae in the display tank is almost nonexistent, fish are fat & happy. An ATS is the cheapest & most effective thing I've ever done to improve water quality. I wish I had built one sooner."

Kcmopar on the MFT site: "Its been about 5 weeks (started the weekend before fathers day) or so and the green hair algae has stopped growing in my 40G. Yeah!!! Its all receding, maybe just a few percent left at the base of a couple rocks that my coral beauty snacks on. Just amazing. Started this 40G salt from Jump with an ATS. IT NEVER CYCLED!!! I have little pods, tiny feather dusters, and other critters thriving like crazy. Coraline already starting to spread across the tank. Nutrients are always zero to just barely detectable on both the 10g and 40g. Also a note on the 40G, I never had to do a water change yet!!! No test results ever got past barely detectable. I have been dabbling with an ATS on a 10 gallon Freshwater as well. Same results so far. I am building a bigger one for my 150G FW in a few weeks."

Reeftanker on the MFUK site: "i have cleaned it about 8/10 times now, about 50-90 grams of algae each time and i have just tsted my tank i have on my test kits; Phosphates = clear that means undetectable levels on my test kit, Nitrates = 1ppm maybe 2ppm, what more do i have to say im am chuffed to bits and over the moon"

Etan on the MFUK site: "Just to share some of my results with my scrubber. I set up my new tank at beginning of Jan(Rio 400). The only filtration I have on the tank is a scrubber and about 50kg of live rock. After the tank had cycled my nitrates peaked at about 25ppm about 2 weeks ago. There were only 2 clowns and 2 chromis in tank and small cuc. Just tested today after all stock and cuc from old tank have been in there for about 1 week and nitrate reading is only 2ppm and not much signs of algee in main tank or on glass. It seems to me the scrubber is doing its job."

Weatherby68ss on the scrubber site: "i have been into this hobby for 3 years now and was using a wet /dry filter for the first year and a half or so untill i found out about algae scrubbers. i have to admit i would not still have an aquarium if not for my ats. its simply to much time, work and $$$ using any other type of filtration. with the ats i can actually sit back and enjoy my tank and keep my fish fat and happy with out worrying about the next water change because i hav'nt done 1 in over a year! :D anyone thats thinking about building 1 all i can say is go for it THEY WORK!!! nuff said"

Mgraf on the RC site: "I have been running a scrubber for about 8 months now, at first I had a skimmer running, macro's, rock rubble, and deep sand bed. Same setup as you almost. I still have the deep sand bed but, eliminated the other stuff over time for the sake of simplicity. I clean the scrubbers algae once a week, do monthly water changes, feed often and alot, and my corals and fish have never been happier or fatter in the year and a half it has been set up. Many may disagree but, for me it is the easiest way to run a salt water reef."

Jukka on the RC site: "I used to have various carbon sources + ATB Supersize skimmer as filtration for my 400 gal reef. I never succeeded to outcompete nutrient problems with those, no matter how much carbon I added. I also tried the pellet version. Since building a large scrubber with lots of light, all problems are gone. But I didn't take the skimmer out of the system and didn't stop carbon dosing, and don't intend to. I just reduced carbon amount to about 1/10 of the original. I like the effects carbon does for fungi, and other stuff like that, growth. Though other reason for keeping skimmer online is the amount I paid for the supersize ATB."
 

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Some UAS builds...

"Acorral" on the scrubber site:







"Badfish" on the RC site:











"Cmaxtian" on the scrubber site:





"Deneed4spd" onthe TCMAS site:





"Ewerd" on the scrubber site:











"Fishuntbike" on the scrubber site:







"FloydRturbo" on the scrubber site:







"Hugbert" on the scrubber site:







"Jaz” on the scrubber site:















“Kalgra” on the R2R site:









“KelliZackMOMon” on the LR site:









“MorganAtlanta” on the scrubber site;











“Octavia-vrs” on the UR site:







“Othello” on the scrubber site:









“OwenReefin” on the PNWMAS site:







“Pecker115” on the UR site:







"Cermet" on the AC site:





“Promazine” on the UR site:







"Bobba" on the scrubber site:











“Reefnjunkie” on the PNWMAS site:









“RkyRickstr” on the scrubber site:











“Ruddybop” on the MFK site:









“Smann” on the PNWMAS site:





“Strayrex” on the UR site:







“Swhite” on the scrubber site:













“Tonymar” on the scrubber site:




 

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