Metal halide Vs Radion Vs Ati

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I'm currently running dual 250 halides on my 70 Cadlights which is great however the spare room is getting a bit warm
I was wondering what lighting system would be second best ?
Ati 8 bulb or Radions?
I have mostly Sps any advice would be appreciated
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nothing will be better than the MH... honestly... but yeah, the heat and other crap kills it from being perfect... i rather have T5's than any LED... but pretty soon the guys that paid thousands on LED's will come in and say different... LOL....
 
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Lance,
T5 still give some heat but will do as great as MH for less watt. I did see some great tanks with led, but certain sps may not do well under LED.

For Sps I will go with HO T5 with reefbrite led for the look.
 
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ATI T5 for sure, it does works as Metal halides and produces less heat !!! LED are good but not all SPS will grow as fast as halides and T5's.
 
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As with everything in this hobby, there is no one perfect way, method or piece of equipment that solves every problem. Look at the other side of it, there also some amazing tanks under LED's and some not so great one's under MH. For those of us that still like MH change is uncomfortable so we tend to prefer what we're more familiar with.
 
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i love MH... and T5 is dope too with purple bulbs... love that look... but i'm a hypocrite... i'm running LED... lol...
 
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I am running led and am soon going to be switching to t5 led combo. led only gives great color and growth for most corals but seems to be a bit too inconsistent for some SPS for me
 

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Lance,

Swing my hood to check out my dominantly sps tank and see what the LED light does, when you have a chance.

You will hear all opinions from MH to T5 and LED. I have never tried MH myself for the reasons of heat and the energy efficiency, b4 I have my green energy. I also have had my ATI Sunpower 48" 6x54 with Reefbrite at some point in this hobby, but just could not see my sps were doing that well in the area of growth. I'm just speaking in my case only, because every single tank is different. Until I made a switched to try out the LED and be pleased with the growth, but still working on color of some sps.

Good luck with ur final decision and have fun!
 

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Lance,
T5 still give some heat but will do as great as MH for less watt. I did see some great tanks with led, but certain sps may not do well under LED.

For Sps I will go with HO T5 with reefbrite led for the look.
you tell that to dave aka [MENTION=824]o2manyfish[/MENTION]
 
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I'm gonna run the halides and keep the ceiling fan on and the window open :). The growth and color is awesome and I'm afraid that if I try something else I will be greatly disappointed the energy cost is not bad at all I also run dual halides (Radiums) on my shop tank


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I'm gonna run the halides and keep the ceiling fan on and the window open :). The growth and color is awesome and I'm afraid that if I try something else I will be greatly disappointed the energy cost is not bad at all I also run dual halides (Radiums) on my shop tank


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In the grand scheme of things photons are photons. That being said, any of the three lighting types can yield excellent results, provided that you are ensuring that the tank is getting an even spread of light.

Metal halide systems are half point source (the light coming directly off of the bulb), and half diffused source (the light coming off the back of the bulb and reflected off of the reflector and back into the tank). This gives both high intensity and and excellent "diffused spread" if large reflectors are employed.

T5HOs by their linear geometry provide excellent spread over the entire area beneath the fixture, similar to the metal halide you get somewhat of a linear source coming off the bottom of the bulb, and a diffused source being reflected down into the tank off the top of the bulb.

LEDs are strictly point source and can be found in either groups (helping to blend colors together like in the case of a Radion, Kessil, or similar), or in a spread out array (like a Reefbreeders Photon) to help increase spread at the expense of eliciting somewhat of a "disco" effect. When used in either groups or arrays, as long as there are sufficient groups or a large enough array to cover the top of the tank, you will have good results.

I'll give an example of possible systems for the last tank I set up, a 32x24x20h. I wanted "high" light for this tank because my intent was to do a mixed reef and then transition into a SPS dominant setup after the tank matured.

To do a metal halide setup on this tank I was looking a running a pair of 250w bulbs.

To do a T5HO setup I was looking at a 8x24w ATI fixture.

To do LEDs I was looking at running either two Radions or three A360we Kessils.

Any of the scenarios above would give excellent spread on a 32x24 footprint, but I chose the ATI because for me it was the most cost effective. The halides were a close second, and the LED systems were just prohibitively expensive for my budget.
 
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you tell that to dave aka [MENTION=824]o2manyfish[/MENTION]
Most of the tanks I have seen that have been successful with solely LED on SPS tanks run 2 or 3x the number of fixtures that the manufacturers recommend. Dave's tank, Sanjay's tank, RacinJason's tank to name a few.

I also think that water quality has a lot more to do with coral color.

That being said I'm a fan of T5 with led supplementation.
 
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I can tell you though, I have an acro in my small frag tank that is lit by a Kessil a150 within 8 inches of the water surface (pretty shallow tank), and its dog shiet brown. While all my acros in my main display under T5 with Led all look very colorful. Both tanks share the same water / parameters.

But my mushrooms, zoas, favias, and chalices all do great under the Kessil a150.
 

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I can tell you though, I have an acro in my small frag tank that is lit by a Kessil a150 within 8 inches of the water surface (pretty shallow tank), and its dog shiet brown. While all my acros in my main display under T5 with Led all look very colorful. Both tanks share the same water / parameters.

But my mushrooms, zoas, favias, and chalices all do great under the Kessil a150.
how is your flow in your frag tank
 
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If I decide to get an Ati 8 bulb do I need the dimmable version? I always do straight on/off no dusk /dawn


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