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Not sure how true the comment was…

Maybe it’s bad because it aggressively drops the phosphate in my experience.
Just checked again today on my vodka increase day (now 4.7 ml), one week apart. Haven't changed the rowaphos and my phosphate went down .02 and nitrate climbed a smidgen.
 

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I normally start with 1/4 of the reactor but the phosphate was still climbing. I went to a full reactor and it still didn’t move until I started nopox.

My tank is a new 265 gallon with half old cycled rock and half bleached. I think the tank is still processing all the die off from the bleached rock.


This brings up another good question for everyone. How fast of a drop is to fast?

I went from .35 to .20 ish in a week.
You want to go slow, this gives corals and other things time to adjust to the new levels. Too fast and corals won’t be able to adjust and their uptake stops, which causes problems that stack up, causing a roller coaster and essentially shuts down growth. Nothing good happens fast in this hobby. There’s a reason this is the most common phrase used in the hobby.


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I normally start with 1/4 of the reactor but the phosphate was still climbing. I went to a full reactor and it still didn’t move until I started nopox.

My tank is a new 265 gallon with half old cycled rock and half bleached. I think the tank is still processing all the die off from the bleached rock.


This brings up another good question for everyone. How fast of a drop is to fast?

I went from .35 to .20 ish in a week.
You didn’t rinse and soak the bleached rock after you bleached it?


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You didn’t rinse and soak the bleached rock after you bleached it?


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oh yeah this was bleached soaked over a year ago. I just pulled it out of my storage. I was referring to the die off within the rock that still needs to be processed is likely why my phosphates are up.
 
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oh yeah this was bleached soaked over a year ago. I just pulled it out of my storage. I was referring to the die off within the rock that still needs to be processed is likely why my phosphates are up.
I get it, but after the bleaching it should be rinsed and soaked after as well to help limit exactly what you’re going through now


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I get it, but after the bleaching it should be rinsed and soaked after as well to help limit exactly what you’re going through now


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Yup I didn’t ”soak” or cycle the rock for a second time when I pulled it out of storage. I agree that is what is happening now. I will Just keep an eye on it until it establishes.
 
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It definitely works however some fish are sensitive to it so proceed with caution


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Oh I don’t like that statement lol.

I have an Achilles, Gem tang, powder blue, and purple tang all healthy and getting along.

I would be so upset if I killed them. Now I might stick to nopox.

Any articles on the fish toxicity?
 
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Whether you use Rowa or GFO, it’s better to use smaller amounts and change it more frequently, than to drop PO4 drastically. Sudden changes in P will do some damage, especially to sensitive sps.


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In your Experience, how much of a drop in how short of a duration is to much?
 
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Oh I don’t like that statement lol.

I have an Achilles, Gem tang, powder blue, and purple tang all healthy and getting along.

I would be so upset if I killed them. Now I might stick to nopox.

Any articles on the fish toxicity?
It’s not that’s it’s toxic, it’s that when the lanthum reacts with the water it creates a fine particulate that can irritate some fishes gills


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In your Experience, how much of a drop in how short of a duration is to much?
It depends on the current level. If you’re over 0.2ppm and higher, then you can drop a little more without issue, maybe 0.05ppm a day? Less is probably safer and if you have an sps dominant tank, smaller amounts will be better. Each tank will be different on how much it can handle, so giving a target number is really hard. Whenever I tried using media to drop PO4, I would cut the amount by half or even a quarter, replace that media every couple days. If I didn’t see a drop, then I would increase the dosage/amount slightly.
I personally don’t like using media, so I carbon dose to feed my corals and dose ammonium chloride to provide nitrogen, because my systems always tend to be nitrogen limited. I also grow chaeto, which helps a little. I also don’t target PO4, which in my 90g always sits around 0.25ppm or more.


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Go slow with LC. It’s very effective at stripping phosphates. It’s used to drop phosphates in 30k gallon pools. Aquarium grade product is just very very diluted LC. Everyone’s tank is different, so go slow and watch your tank.
 
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It’s not that’s it’s toxic, it’s that when the lanthum reacts with the water it creates a fine particulate that can irritate some fishes gills


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This is from personal experience or “urban legend” that kept perpetuating through our hobby? I have been using LC for 5+ years — no issues in my tank, from my personal experience. Like I said, I’ve heard people said that it only affect yellow tangs. We need to stop spreading false information or show scientific proof or personal experience?
 
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This is from personal experience or “urban legend” that kept perpetuating through our hobby? I have been using LC for 5+ years — no issues in my tank, from my personal experience. Like I said, I’ve heard people said that it only affect yellow tangs. We need to stop spreading false information or show scientific or personal proof?
Been using it for 3 years, no issues here either
 
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This is from personal experience or “urban legend” that kept perpetuating through our hobby? I have been using LC for 5+ years — no issues in my tank, from my personal experience. Like I said, I’ve heard people said that it only affect yellow tangs. We need to stop spreading false information or show scientific proof or personal experience?

Thoughts?
 

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This guy should not have used a pool LC solution. You might save a few bucks, but it is not worth it. You don't know the purity, composition, and other ingredients in the pool LC solution. He did a dilution based on 3rd party information, and his starting phosphate was not high 0.16ppm. So he may have either screwed up his calculations or the 3rd party information was wrong on how concentrated it was. And pool LC solution can also have contaminants or wide range of concentration as no one will notice when dumping it into a pool. I do feel if you bottom out on phosphates and continue to add LC, this is when it get a bit riskier for the livestock.

I recommend to either use the aquarium LC products. Or get lab grade LC powder and mix your own solution (but would only recommend for those that have experience doing this).
 
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