SoCaliReefs: The End of an Era?

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Caption: This is just a typical day on SCR or "Premier" Reefs

I was gonna write a long well thought out rant about how this forum has turned into craigslist, but I don't care to spend that much time on it. So I'll get to the point...

I've talked to several sponsors who have shared a similar disappointment with the site. Some have gained very little clientele for the price of monthly sponsorship. One of them told me that they left due to the flood of unregulated for sale threads on here; meaning that there are people here selling enough things over and over that warrant becoming sponsors. I feel this undercuts sponsors in a way. Especially when you have all these sale threads bumped and sponsor threads get drowned out by all these threads.

I can go on and on, but I think you get the point...
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The end of the era of Craigslist SCR. It was very short lived. I promise to do all I can to bring back SCR to its recent glory days. Stay tune!


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ugh... might as well throw in my two centavos...


















































i'm just glad i'm not getting blamed this time... LOL...






























also... i've gotten tired of the same thing... but it's not only the forum... it's the whole hobby... the people... it's turned into garbage... it's a huge competition, a huge business, and everyone is a huge *** hater... i never thought the day would come when a group of people would attack another group in the same community... it's disgusting and they can all eat a big fat "D"... everyone in this hobby should know that we are a community, instead of a competition... but whatever... that's why i hardly stick around and help people... they don't deserve it... especially most forget where they came from eventually...

everyone forgets... everyone thinks they're the next steve tyree, or jason fox... they all start looking down on people... make fun of the newbs with softies, or that kill something... try to flip frags, and talk bad about others that do the same... or think you're the all that because you have high end equipment... disgusting... so much hate... whatever... this community is garbage... it's all garbage...

i totally understand why the mod's get tired of moderating as well... imagine hearing everyone crying at once..? you don't know how many tearful emails they get... LOL... "oh no, he called me this..." oh no, he selling that..." jeez... they're more like baby sitters... pathetic... having to close threads because someone says something dumb and offends some other kid... imagine that...? it's not worth it... i was going to ask to be a mod here, but i would ban a ton of people... IDGAF about having friends on here anymore... especially since they all think everyone that post here is an enemy...


and if my post offends you... oh well... do something about it next time... silly haters... a huge crew of stuck up reef snob haters... f@ggots...


sorry mikeE... there is a cancer on this board...
 
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ugh... might as well throw in my two centavos...


















































i'm just glad i'm not getting blamed this time... LOL...






























also... i've gotten tired of the same thing... but it's not only the forum... it's the whole hobby... the people... it's turned into garbage... it's a huge competition, a huge business, and everyone is a huge *** hater... i never thought the day would come when a group of people would attack another group in the same community... it's disgusting and they can all eat a big fat "D"... everyone in this hobby should know that we are a community, instead of a competition... but whatever... that's why i hardly stick around and help people... they don't deserve it... especially most forget where they came from eventually...

everyone forgets... everyone thinks they're the next steve tyree, or jason fox... they all start looking down on people... make fun of the newbs with softies, or that kill something... try to flip frags, and talk bad about others that do the same... or think you're the all that because you have high end equipment... disgusting... so much hate... whatever... this community is garbage... it's all garbage...

i totally understand why the mod's get tired of moderating as well... imagine hearing everyone crying at once..? you don't know how many tearful emails they get... LOL... "oh no, he called me this..." oh no, he selling that..." jeez... they're more like baby sitters... pathetic... having to close threads because someone says something dumb and offends some other kid... imagine that...? it's not worth it... i was going to ask to be a mod here, but i would ban a ton of people... IDGAF about having friends on here anymore... especially since they all think everyone that post here is an enemy...


and if my post offends you... oh well... do something about it next time... silly haters... a huge crew of stuck up reef snob haters... f@ggots...


sorry mikeE... there is a cancer on this board...
Partially right.. although I see nothing wrong with trying to make a few bucks back considering how much we all spend in the hobby. But you do have the occasional flippers which I hate, always claiming to be breaking down, then they build again and the they gotta move lol can't stand the cry babies either
 
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Partially right.. although I see nothing wrong with trying to make a few bucks back considering how much we all spend in the hobby. But you do have the occasional flippers which I hate, always claiming to be breaking down, then they build again and the they gotta move lol can't stand the cry babies either
you eventually get tired of it... and especially since i know everyone (lol) i find out everything... you weren't around when someone's sister was supposedly killed... or when this guy was selling his "friend's" clam that he said had died in his system... or this guy that was getting evicted, but sold frags to fund his garage shop... or when he made a thread asking for free stuff, that he eventually flipped...

i've heard it all...






btw, that was all one guy... HAHAHAHALKjflk;sjda;lhflks;djflksajdflk;asdfjlkasdjflkasjdflasjdf;lk
 
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you eventually get tired of it... and especially since i know everyone (lol) i find out everything... you weren't around when someone's sister was supposedly killed... or when this guy was selling his "friend's" clam that he said had died in his system... or this guy that was getting evicted, but sold frags to fund his garage shop... or when he made a thread asking for free stuff, that he eventually flipped...

i've heard it all...






btw, that was all one guy... HAHAHAHALKjflk;sjda;lhflks;djflksajdflk;asdfjlkasdjflkasjdflasjdf;lk
That was the same guy low balling the dude in the garage at Liz and Jorge's BBQ...trying to get a 3 eye space invader pectina for $20.
 

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What's up with grown men doing "rants"... It's so simple if people don't like it then don't be on the forum.. It is literally impossible to make everybody happy.
 
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What's up with grown men doing "rants"... It's so simple if people don't like it then don't be on the forum.. It is literally impossible to make everybody happy.
good thing i'm not a grown man... i'm an attention whore thread derailer... LOL... just like it says in all of the threads i get reported on... hahaha..

and i don't think this is a rant... damian here is actually trying to get some answers and fix it... i liked this forum once... i'm only here because of a handful of friends... i unplugged my tank a couple nights ago... i have everything to rebuild and upgrade... but meh... growing plants is a much more rewarding hobby.. even though no one gets rich doing it... LOL... way nicer people at the garden club meets too... well, 60 year old ladies are never haters...
 

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good thing i'm not a grown man... i'm an attention whore thread derailer... LOL... just like it says in all of the threads i get reported on... hahaha..

and i don't think this is a rant... damian here is actually trying to get some answers and fix it... i liked this forum once... i'm only here because of a handful of friends... i unplugged my tank a couple nights ago... i have everything to rebuild and upgrade... but meh... growing plants is a much more rewarding hobby.. even though no one gets rich doing it... LOL... way nicer people at the garden club meets too... well, 60 year old ladies are never haters...
Im Not tryna bad mouth [MENTION=3768]Confuse[/MENTION] but he "rants" way more then my nieces do...
 
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Im Not tryna bad mouth [MENTION=3768]Confuse[/MENTION] but he "rants" way more then my nieces do...
Lol. I totally get you. But I really love this community. I made a lot of friends here. I really like the people. And I love this hobby. I want it to continue to flourish. But I guess I'm just nostalgic for the "good ol' days."

And in addition, I'm friends with a few sponsors. Some of which completely gave up on SCR due to the lack of revenue and exposure they receive from the site. I want these guys to stay in business.
 
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My two cents..

I first kept a reef when I was in middle school / high school using lunch money to fund my epic 10g. I've always been a FW cichlid guy, so after 1.5 years when my SW nuked due to ??, I didnt' bother setting up another. My reef died in 2004. Fast forward to now -- There's significantly more community and friendly people than there was 'back in the day'. Everything [MENTION=3768]Confuse[/MENTION] has mentioned was 10x worse back then, except coral prices are much higher now and every POS $5 bargain bin coral from yesteryear is a named high dollar frag now.

So while I'm not saying you guys are wrong, I can definitely tell you from my personal experience the hobby has gotten much more friendly overall. The major difference I've noticed are simple:

1) People are here to make money
2) The prices of everything in the hobby have jumped significantly (Which is why #1 is such a thing)

But this begs the question -- Where are these mentalities coming from? Yeah, ecotech marine makes good products -- Why are they retailing at twice as much as they should be? Yeah, ATI makes a good T5 fixture -- Why the **** is it $400+ for $50 worth of manufacturing and technology? Hey, guess what, it's now considered normal to spend $250-300+ on a single powerhead.

I've had a lot of hobbies in my life. I can tell you nothing has exploded more in costs than reefing has.
 
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1) People are here to make money
I don't doubt that but I don't think that's the majority. In fact, there are a lot of deals on the forum.

I would agree that the hobby has gotten more friendly for me, through this forum.

For me, the part of the hobby that this site supports is getting out and meeting other hobbyists. "Joe" has a frag or fish I'm interested in and I arrange to go meet him and voila I've added one more face to the hobby. We may or may not have the chance to look over "Joe's" tank but if we do, that's bonus hobby tender as I get to see another tank/system, get advice, etc., all of which adds to my hobby experience and builds community. I am making friends as a result of this forum.

It is also through this site that I learn about stores, retailers, sponsors, clubs, events, etc., even broadening my hobby horizons more.

I would not know about any of the sponsors was it not for this forum. If they want to ***** about not seeing a return, they are wrong about the cause and should spend more with the forum (and other marketing). Perhaps the forum peeps can use their marketing savvy to help the sponsors target their returns more but to say that because SCR is a pin-pointed craigslist is the reason for their decline is not true.

Cutting off people's communication line will only do one thing, decrease hits to the site. This is opposite to what you're trying to achieve.

In less than two years, I've gone from being a bargain-hunter-freebie-shopper know-nothin' to feeling pretty confident about what I want and how to achieve that and realizing that I have to buy the good stuff and from reputable people. I pay to be on this site because it has been invaluable to me for this hobby.

I'd also add that when dealing with customers (aka sponsors) the ones that complain the most are probably the most headaches to begin with and you'd be better off just dropping them and working with good people that realize the value of a community. I deal with a similar situation in video where people want everything for free and don't realize the cost of doing business and professionalism. The cheap ones are the headaches, the people that get it, get it and are better to deal with. I'm sure it's the same with anything.

This forum is for everyone what they themselves put into it. I don't look forward to what I perceive the change will be and I hope you drop that idea. What type of posts are you contributing regularly? (And I don't know who the "you" is I'm talking about, I'm more being general in this term.)

I guess that was my dollar fifty...
 
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I don't doubt that but I don't think that's the majority. In fact, there are a lot of deals on the forum.
I agree with everything you've said, especially this.


Maybe SCR was more like a club in the day where everyone knew one another, but that's less feasible with so many different reef clubs around and other resources. if I specifically want help from people it's typically not that beneficial to post here looking for information -- Especially if your problem / question is more in depth and you require a level of understanding that's beyond the obvious noob advice. Then you just wont get a response here.

With resources already out there, there aren't enough strong reasons to search here. It's 100x easier finding high quality information at Reef Central, and it's 100x easier finding nano related information at Nano-reefs than Reef Central even.

With vast resources of information available at literally dozens of other locations -- what does SCR offer? Nano-Reefs and sites like it fill a niche, Reef Central is a hub for information in general, so if you aren't offering a niche platform to fill a void what are you offering? The answer is, stuff for sale, from people more reputable than Craigslist randoms.


The true issue is SCR doesn't offer anything we don't already have. It may not sound pleasant, but it's true.
 
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The true issue is SCR doesn't offer anything we don't already have. It may not sound pleasant, but it's true.
I disagree. What it offers is the most So Cal reefers in one place. And I find them wanting to be just as helpful as any other forum. I'd rather be among a bunch of locals than lost in a gazillion WW reefers. I feel lost on other forums. Although they do have their benefits, as you've listed.
 
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I agree with everything you've said, especially this.


Maybe SCR was more like a club in the day where everyone knew one another, but that's less feasible with so many different reef clubs around and other resources. if I specifically want help from people it's typically not that beneficial to post here looking for information -- Especially if your problem / question is more in depth and you require a level of understanding that's beyond the obvious noob advice. Then you just wont get a response here.

With resources already out there, there aren't enough strong reasons to search here. It's 100x easier finding high quality information at Reef Central, and it's 100x easier finding nano related information at Nano-reefs than Reef Central even.

With vast resources of information available at literally dozens of other locations -- what does SCR offer? Nano-Reefs and sites like it fill a niche, Reef Central is a hub for information in general, so if you aren't offering a niche platform to fill a void what are you offering? The answer is, stuff for sale, from people more reputable than Craigslist randoms.


The true issue is SCR doesn't offer anything we don't already have. It may not sound pleasant, but it's true.
I disagree with that. I've gotten very good and technical advice from this site. There are a lot of very experienced people here that do not post on RC or other forums. I have always found the advice given here just as good, if not better than RC. The issue that I've had posting for advice in RC is that way too many people just throw out their thoughts without fully knowing the answer. That gets magnified as the site is much bigger. Here, you may get less responses, but the chances of receiving a more educated and correct response are much greater. And that is why I steer away from bigger sites when I am asking for feedback or troubleshooting advice.
 

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