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Hey Gang,

Its another long-winded one from me. I have been on this forum since January 2008 but I have only really been an active member for a couple months. In that short time I have had the misfortune of some real useless/time wasting interactions with some of the members of this forum.

I have made 6 agreements to sell, give, buy and or get livestock and or equipment from fellow members. I was flaked on 4 out of 6 times, no show, call, or email. 1 of the 4 times I was asked to hold some items just to find that member trying to buy the same items for $15 cheaper from another member that was 50 miles further then me. Please keep in mind this was 40 plus days and several emails later asking me to hold on to the items.

My latest disappointing interaction was yesterday with one of our sponsors no less. I will not mention the name of this person as this agreement was outside of their normal held business. My whole problem with this isnt that others and myself are missing out on these agreed great deals but that these people have a complete disregard for their fellow man/woman. Why these people cant do what they have agreed to is beyond me but even more so why they cant make a phone call or send a message informing the other person involved that the deal is off for whatever reason is just flat out inconsiderate.

I love this forum for many reasons but the business being held here is turning into nothing more then a useless craigslist type transaction. A group of people that know nothing of each other and have no common respect for each others time and purchase outside of their own wants and needs. Can we please be a little more considerate of each other here? We do have at least a common bond that brings us here in the first place.

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Nick, you gotta get use to Flaking in this hobby. Especially in this hard economy.

That's sucks. There is feedback forums for you to use.

Let's see some names....
 
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I agree with you statement and that is why I do the first come first serve unless the goods are payed for. I have had good luck and had some flak's as well. My thing is to set a time and place and if there is no show or call I continue with my day. It suck to be this way but I am forced to be this way. I used to make surfboards and I had the same things happen then. money up front and that keeps things real. good luck
 
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Sorry to hear about your experience. It's the nature of the hobby and the boards, though. I have this same experience on multiple boards (and not even just reefing). My suggestion is to use the feedback portion of the site for reef related transactions and think the FCFS or cash up front methods can help ease some of the flakiness. I do agree with you 100% about the inconsiderate behavior of some people, but I also encounter that in person quite often so it's pretty much to be expected on a message board. Hope you stick around, GL :D
 
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Thanks Gang, but most of the problems I have on here are people I'm picking up from not selling to. All I ask is that I get a call or email, even if it is after the fact. I always get a pissy response back after I PM them asking what happen to are arrangement if I get a response at all.

I have yet to have someone ask me for a down payment as I agree to meet them at their earliest convenience. I dont ask people to hold stuff for me. I know posting names could help people on here but the last time I did a buyer/seller feedback it was pointless. Trust me when I say I know the economy is a big issue, that is why I buy and sell on here not my LFS. I have found myself driving miles away just to "give" a fish or some kind of equipment away to fellow RD members in need.
 
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My latest disappointing interaction was yesterday with one of our sponsors no less. I will not mention the name of this person as this agreement was outside of their normal held business. My whole problem with this isnt that others and myself are missing out on these agreed great deals but that these people have a complete disregard for their fellow man/woman. Why these people cant do what they have agreed to is beyond me but even more so why they cant make a phone call or send a message informing the other person involved that the deal is off for whatever reason is just flat out inconsiderate.
I explained to you via PM that I had a family situation to take care of, yet you feel the need to post this. My family will always be my first priority and that will never change. You were getting FREE fish, something that didn't require you having to pull a cent out of your pocket, yet because I didn't put you above my family, you feel the need to vent. That IMO, is inconsiderate. Here's hoping you never have to put off an appointment to take care of any family related issues.
 

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This is why I had to start my rule of enforcing people to pay up front via paypal, otherwise all my coral in my tanks is on a first come first serve basis. If you haven't paid for it and someone shows up 30 mins. before you and hands me the cash for the same coral, it's his. It never really happens cause it's not lock i've got a line of people moving through my garage- but if you keep putting things off for a week and someone does come by and eyes your frag... it's gone.

To be totally honest though, once I've built a reputation with someone I'll gladly hold something with no money upfront, but by that point they've proven themselves as honest and if they miss something, they tend to have a reason too.
 
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Steve, with respect no one said anything about you in this thread and that is the way I wanted to keep it. This is not a personal attack on you, your priorities or any other member of this forum. It is a simple reminder that we are all friends here and we should treat each other so.

I also put no value on any sale trade or agreement, this thread is about consideration of fellow reefers not how much something is worth or the agreed price.
 
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I think this is in reference to a free fish. If i give away ANYTHING its on my time and my terms. THings come up, you cant control it. My belief is my family always comes first. Anything tank related will always take a back seat. If a person cant understand that then I'll just move along to the next person who can. Plus its FREE
 
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Yeah, I can write about so many flakes but whatevers, **** happens... If I dont get a phone call by a certain time, I go about my day and not wait around.

steves a good guy, only time he flakes on you is if he takes his bf on a date
 
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I think this is in reference to a free fish. If i give away ANYTHING its on my time and my terms. THings come up, you cant control it. My belief is my family always comes first. Anything tank related will always take a back seat. If a person cant understand that then I'll just move along to the next person who can. Plus its FREE
+1 :five:
 
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I also put no value on any sale trade or agreement, this thread is about consideration of fellow reefers not how much something is worth or the agreed price.
You sure wouldn't know this by the PM I got accusing me of "wasting your gas & time." I don't see how I wasted either seeing how you never came over my house to pick anything up.

I would have been perfectly willing to meet w/ you today, but with the "pissy" PM you sent me, I'd rather give the FREE fish to someone who is a bit more considerate and thankful.
 
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This is why I didnt want to mention any names and I didnt. He asked me to call him when I was on my way, anytime after six was good. I called and left a message with no reply. He was online at 5:59 and then again at 9:59 but I was told he didn't get back until 11. I don't care how great of a guy Steve is as this thread isn't about him or our specific agreement it's about RD members not doing what they agreed to do on this forum regarding trades, sales and any other kind of agreements.

Yeah, I can write about so many flakes but whatevers, **** happens... If I dont get a phone call by a certain time, I go about my day and not wait around.

steves a good guy, only time he flakes on you is if he takes his bf on a date
 
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Steve you put a value on the fish, I put a value on my time and gas. Trust me when I say I didn't plan on doing any free or payed business with you after the way you handled yourself last night.

You sure wouldn't know this by the PM I got accusing me of "wasting your gas & time." I don't see how I wasted either seeing how you never came over my house to pick anything up.

I would have been perfectly willing to meet w/ you today, but with the "pissy" PM you sent me, I'd rather give the FREE fish to someone who is a bit more considerate and thankful.
 
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This is why I didnt want to mention any names and I didnt. He asked me to call him when I was on my way, anytime after six was good. I called and left a message with no reply. He was online at 5:59 and then again at 9:59 but I was told he didn't get back until 11. I don't care how great of a guy Steve is as this thread isn't about him or our specific agreement it's about RD members not doing what they agreed to do on this forum regarding trades, sales and any other kind of agreements.

Well him being a good guy or not fine.. but you'll find flakes on any sort of forums. As long as buyers or sellers dont have cash in there hands at the time of sale or agreement nothing is final. Yeah its great to let the other party know if something comes up, but certain things just happen for them to not reply back or notify the other party waiting. this goes with free stuff also

there has been 4 people that have flaked on me in the last few weeks but whatevers.. they were all busy
 
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So we shouldn't use the buyer seller feedback threads for any disagreement that did not/ have not included money at the point of flaking?
 
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So we shouldn't use the buyer seller feedback threads for any disagreement that did not/ have not included money at the point of flaking?
No, I think we should use it, but for me, I wont write anything until they repeatedly flaked on me.

I would hope the same for the other. I would ask for a explanation privately but if I dont get anything just move along.

this section helps each buyer/seller with whom they are dealing with.

plus its good you didnt go to steves house. he would have raped you in return for the free fish or whatever.
 
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Thanks Anthony. I'm not worried about it, this guy is a joke. He is the one that aired out his dirty laundry not me. Remember this forum is only as good as it's members. I'm sure this thread will be closed shortly.


that sucks.....nick ........dammm u woke up the monster run....
....and hide....





it still ......... he is flake the 1st then 2nd after that what more?
 
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