Glockcoma has not paid me back

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Well, I was told my last thread was closed because someone called me a name.

So, if you want this thread closed, you know how to do it... (although I think it would be better for the mods to delete the offending message rathr then kill the thread, but what do I know)
(sorry for repeating stuff, but want those that may not have read the original to know some of the background)

Anyways, I was also told the original message was a bit harsh, so I will soften in up..

:)


Albert owes me money for fixing his light that he dropped into his tank.

He was supposed to pay me upon completion, but I think he spent all his money at disneyland with his family...

But, in keeping in the spirit of not being too harsh, I was VERY HAPPY to have spent money on someone I did not know, rather then spend it on my own family...

I was very happy knowng that his family carried on, and his fish tank was well lit, while my family and I watch our budget each week so dont find outselves short cash in the event I drop my light into my tank...

So, my family is VERY HAPPY, living on a budget, while we hear about someone else spending the money they owe us, on new cars, new fish, that die within a week, and trips to disnyland, and new reactors, and new skimmers. And after threee+ months, I became even more happy, so happy in fact that I flat out told him he needs to pay me ASAP via paypal, cause I found out, (happily), that he is paypalling others for things for himself

We were SO HAPPY hearing about this I had to share it with everyone, so they can lend albert and his family money too, so they can experience teh same feelings as us.

And now that I have had too much happiness in my life, I am suggesting that due to the lessons learned with him, I can not nor should not have too much happiness too often, (It s addicting you know... Now I can relate to gamblers, when they lose money, they must be real happy)

So, to avoid being too happy to often, I will pace myself, and only spend money on other peeps behalf once a year, and I will make it around the holidays, to make sure my xmas money gets split among as many families as possible.

(And for the record, since the original thread, and alberts claims that he feels more sorry for this sick and lonly old man, then he is angy, he has left two messages on my answering maching with physical threats, and that I dont know who the EFF he is, and that I dont know who the EFF I am EFFING with, and that I will be seeing him real soon. Well the last person that said that to me, walks by me in stores and in the streets when he sees me...with not even a dirty stare.....)

So, hopefully this is a more pleasant feedback, for when someone rips you off.

And for future threads in this forum, please learn from my earlire thread, and make sure you do not insult or antagonizethat person thta takes money from you...Or takes something from your store, cause we know that being PC is more important than the animosity or ange you might feel when someone not only takes stuff, but then tries to double talk or lie to cover thier tracks...

I am a true believer in KARMA, and from what I hear, those that have caused me grief in the past, on these forums, have incurred some of tht harma, (yes, intenionally mispelled)

And hopefully thier families and fish tanks dont have to share thier bad karma, althoughthat is between them and thier fathers..and husband.

(and yes, I knowpeople are wishing an praying that karma visit my house too, that is fine)
 
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thanks for the post bill. lets keep the name calling out, and in the future we will do our best to insure the post is deleted, not the thread, where we see fit.
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I can only speak on my own personal experiences w/ Glock... and you guys can decide on your own...

As most of you may know Glock recently set up a GB on the ACjr. I'm currently setting up a new 37 and I decided to go ahead and join the GB ($245.00 for acJR + temp probe + ph + dc 8 + serial probe nice..) I had never met Glock before, and I had never done business with him before. I pm'ed him over on SCNRS (which is where I usually hang out... hence the low post count here) and he promptly got back to me with info regarding the group buy.

The week before Super Bowl Sunday Glock calls me up and says that he's going to be going in that weekend to pick up the ACjr's and that hes going to need the money either a check to him or paypal directly to the guy selling the ACjr's. If I paypaled the guy I would have to pay an additional $35.00 to have it shipped to me. So I told Glock that I would give him a check and he can pick up for me and I will pick it up from him. That same day Glock drives down from his work in Beverly Hills to MY office in Korea town (during traffic) and he picks up the check from me.

The check that I wrote him was left blank in the amount of $245.00. One of my other buddies on scrns told me that Glock was good for the acjr and that I had nothing to worry about so I thought nothing of it and wrote out the check.

Monday after Superbowl GLOCK calls me up and tells me that he has the ACjr's and that its good for pick up. SWEET I think, and I told him i'll come down and pick it up as soon as I have some time. The next day GLOCK tells me that he's going to take the ACjr to his work and that I can pick it up from his work (because its like 35 miles closer than going to his house to pick it up). But things came up at work and I couldn't make it. GLOCK calls me again and says "Hey you know what, I will just drive down to your office and drop it off to you." WOW so again in traffic, GLOCK drove down to MY office and personally delivered the ACjr to me. I felt really bad for all the trouble that he went through and told him that next time I see him we are going to have some :beer: :cheers:

I don't know the details of what happened between everyone, but i'm just chiming in with my .02 of my personal experience w/ Glock. Thanks for the ACjr, and for going above and beyond to make it super easy for me.

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i recently met glockoma. not bad dealings. if anything he seemed to be just like any other reefer in the hobbie. great guy. sorry to hear that you had an issue with him bill. i hope it gets resolved to both ones satisfaction
 
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this guy is insane...im surprised bill hasnt gotten the boot from here too...ive dealt with albert in the past...& i will not hesitate in dealing with him again...for bill on the other hand...ive heard & read horror stories about you...why would albert rip you off for a measly 30.00 when he was holding all kinds of other guys money when he did the controller group buy...this guy just likes to whine when he doesnt get his way...like the other guy you bashed who supposedly didnt finish your website...i mean come on...is your luck that bad that everybody is just out to screw you...i doubt it...
 
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I too have dealt with Albert on a few occassions. He and I chit chat a few times a week as well, just shootin the S**. He has not ever given me the run around or caused me to have any doubts about his business ethics. Albert is cool peeps!!
 

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+1 I was in the AC Jr GB and everything was perfect. It does not add up that he will rip someone off. Their is a pattern with those type of things. He had $245 that is a little more than $30 and no problem with my order and no one has said different on theirs. I don't know Bill but their is a patter developing on him. Just an outside observer as I have not dealt with him. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Albert is good peeps..

Dealt with Albert in the past and he was pretty honest and i could trust him with my money. I did the ACJR also and he had over $1000 of strangers money and none got rip. My 02 cents...
 
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this guy is insane...im surprised bill hasnt gotten the boot from here too...ive dealt with albert in the past...& i will not hesitate in dealing with him again...for bill on the other hand...ive heard & read horror stories about you...why would albert rip you off for a measly 30.00 when he was holding all kinds of other guys money when he did the controller group buy...this guy just likes to whine when he doesnt get his way...like the other guy you bashed who supposedly didnt finish your website...i mean come on...is your luck that bad that everybody is just out to screw you...i doubt it...
im not here to choose side but what you heard and what actually happened is two different things.
 
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Lets see if Glockcoma(albert) is a trustworthy guy:
1. He goes over to you house bill and helps you out when need a favor.
2. When albert calls in the favor you ablige him and then ask him $$$ later. I dont know about you bill, but when people do favors for each other theres no $$$ involved.( hence the term favor)
3. You call this guy and his family out on the message board and expect him not to get mad.
4. Albert set up a GB on the controllers and he did not rip anyonge off. WOW, for an untrustworthy guy he sure did come trough for alot of peeps and it seem he even went the extra mile to get to controllers to the buyers.
5. Bill there is a reason why you got the boot from RC and if you keep it up you will get it here too.

Im just saying that from my experience with Glockcoma it was nothing but pleasent. I would even go to say if i asked Albert for a favor he would help me out even though i have only dealt with him ONE time.
 

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Lets see if Glockcoma(albert) is a trustworthy guy:
1. He goes over to you house bill and helps you out when need a favor.
2. When albert calls in the favor you ablige him and then ask him $$$ later. I dont know about you bill, but when people do favors for each other theres no $$$ involved.( hence the term favor)
3. You call this guy and his family out on the message board and expect him not to get mad.
4. Albert set up a GB on the controllers and he did not rip anyonge off. WOW, for an untrustworthy guy he sure did come trough for alot of peeps and it seem he even went the extra mile to get to controllers to the buyers.
5. Bill there is a reason why you got the boot from RC and if you keep it up you will get it here too.

Im just saying that from my experience with Glockcoma it was nothing but pleasent. I would even go to say if i asked Albert for a favor he would help me out even though i have only dealt with him ONE time.
Dealt with Albert many times. Just bought an AquaC Remora w/pump for $60 from him. The thing works like a charm. What a jerk- he saved me over $100.:rolleyes: hahahaha. He's cool to deal with in my book.
 
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I have replied to some of you privately, as I do not want to keep posting here, but, to clear up a couple of things and questions that were raised...

I understand the skeptacism with regards to my credibility due to some of the history here, adn the bits and pieces that you may or may not have digested, or read or was told.

I would be wondering as well.

But, I would not make up my mind based upon anything else but the events specific to this situation...

Also, I have an impeccable reputation of helping anyone and everyone that has ever asked, without hesitation and compensation, not even wanting or hoping for compensation...

I usually tell people when they offere something, that I truly did not help for compensation, and would feel bad if I was paid anything, as I dont know what my time is worth, TO ME IT IS FREE...

I have also conducted a gb on AC Jrs. last year for 16 people, which went very well, and I did similar things to get the money and deliver equipment that albert did. (there is incentive to complete the gb)

I also thought albert was a cool guy, *a little wierd, and a little funny, but not more then me...

Yes, as someone pointed out, Albert helped me out in my time of need.

He came over, for an hour and half... And brought his son... My daughter had to baby sit, so, I lost one helper, and gained one helper...

I offered to help him fix his light, for free, NO LABOR, NO GAS, but he was to pay for parts...

He agreed to pay for the parts, I spoke with him a dozen times that day, while I went from store to store, looking for teh right end caps, only for him to tell me to keep on looking, (DONT ORDER THEM, he wanted them that day)

And after 4-5 hours of going to three different electrical and lighting stores, looking for the correct endcaps, I advised him to get the RETRO KIT end caps, and although they will be a bit larger then teh originals, he can order the correct parts and install them later...

He agreed, and okay'd me to place the order with marine depot... And since he wanted the fixture that day, I had to drive down in rush hour, to pick them up at the will call window...

Then came the first lie...

Once, when I told him the price ofthe parts, when I was working on his fixture, he said he would pay me when he picked up the fixture after disneyland, (which he didnt) (he spent it all at disneyland and would catch me later)

Then after 3+ months, I suggest, that he work out a trade with puffalicious, cause puff was selling some LR, and I could use some more, so I told albert,that if he is friends with Puff, that he could work something out with him, which he seemed to like...

He calls me up, and says, he paid Puff via paypal, and for me to hook up with Rega to pick up my LR...

(Why would Albert buy LR from Rega???) Why would I pick up that LR that Albert was paying or trading for???

But, after several attempts to hook up with Puffalicious, I told Albert, to get his money back from Puff, as I changed my mind, it was too difficult to meet, as I thought Puff was either too busy or just not interested in finalizing the deal that albert paid for...

But, albert, directed me to be a bit more assertive, and keep on trying to get Puff to deliver, *not deliver the rock, but to deliver on the deal...

And when I did that, and actually, got a bit pushy, Rega, straightened me out, and told me, that he had not been paid by Albert yet, andthat Albert was proposing a trade for a media reactor or something...

Rega, understood that Albert owed me money, per what albert told him, and per prior messages I had sent Puff, but did not understand that I had been owed money for as long as I had...

Rega even apologized in the last thread, that got closed, for not finalizing the deal., cause if he had, this would not have happend...

(That actually sucks, as now Rega feels bad for Alberts not paying me on time... Funny how albert accomplished that also) And now REga is in between Albert and me on this situation, but I am confident that from the little I spoke with Rega, that he will admit if asked.

Bottom line, is, I liked albert, he was kinda cool,although he tends to rush things in his tank, but, he has issues, and I dont need anymore issues, I got enough...

I have PMs from Albert acknowledging that he owes me the money.

Rega knows albert owed me the money, and there is another person, that I have not named in public, that also knows albert personnally, and he too knows albert owes me money... (in fact, albert owed him money for more then a month, before he had to confront albert himself)

So, believe what you want about past issues and the bits and pieces you know abuot me, and believe what you want about this issue, does not matter to me.

I dont expect the money back. Actually, I have not expected it back since teh first month passed.

It was worth it to find out his integrity...

But, just like the question raised by someone else, WHY WOULD ALBERT DO THIS FOR $30???

WHY WOULD I DO THIS FOR$30, (keep in mind, I have not bothered with this site for three months and there are other issues, that I could and would rather deal with then this, especially knowing that now that I did this, I will never get my money from him...

Why, the switch in behaviour from me towards him? Why, would I wait three months then when everything is good between him and I, pull this out of the blue???

Please understand, I am not here to gain friends, nor am i here to part friends.

If you like him, fine. Enjoy it, I hope it lasts and is lacking in issues like this in the future...


Anyways, thanks for reading, Inow there are some that are scratching thier heads, making comments about how illogical I was, or lengthy this message is, and any thing else, that too is okay...

But, if one person is able to avoid a situation like this or worse, then everything is good.

I apologize the the many that would not have been affected by this, and congrats to that one person
 
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Seems like a very plausible story to me. It could be Albert had too much on his plate and was slow in responding to emails which led to a falling out between you two and it eventually disintegrated into not honoring the deal altogether. Don't know either of these guys personally but Bergo your story holds water. You're a little long winded but I think you filled in all the details needed. Albert what's up man come clean!
 
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First I like to thank everyone for their support, I really appreiciate you guys taking time out your busy schedules to put in a good word for me, And all the pm's of your support also.

Second I have known Bill for a while and he seemed like a cool guy, we became good friends, and I always wondered why no one liked him (dispised (sp) him actually), but after seeing for what he really is, I tottaly and completely understand.

Third let me start from the begining, I met him cause he offered newbies frags (with intentions of making new friends cause the guy cant seem to keep any) I exchanged #'s with him and let him know to call if he needs anything, so one day I am out in anaheim taking care of an errand when I get a call from Bill (crying litterally like a big freaken baby) that his house is flooded, so I dropped what I was doing and rushed all the way out there, I even called a friend to come help, oh and even offered to rent a shop vac from home depot wich he refused, so I was out at his house pulling his huge carpet out and on my knees drying his floors for about three hours, and would have stayed longer but family comes first (had to pick up my son at football practice, Bill was very appriciative and stated that if it wasnt for me showing up he would have thrown his tank out in the alley and said to hell with it, he also stated that he couldnt put a price on what i did for him that day.

A few weeks later I had my own emergency when my lights I just bought fell in my tank, I put a post out in RC that if I should throw them out, I guess Bill seen it and contacted me and offered to fix it, so I took him up on his offer, so he told me that the parts would be $60, so I stated to him that I was unable to go that day as my family and I were in disneyland, so he offered to go to marinedepot for me and pick up the parts, so the day I picked them up I offered to pay for gas which he refused and I kept insisting and thats when he told me $30, and we both laughed and that was that, which we both took as a joke to shut up with my offers for gas money, so months later, we get in an arguement (actually all you people that know Bill, he is the only one argueing) about a skimmer I got that has no venturi adapter, he goes nuts and hangs up on me, the next day I get a pm from him that is asking for this $30, which he states are for gas and labor, which I refuse to pay, I never even had the thought of charging him gas from going to his house from anaheim the day his tank flooded,and never contemplated charging him for labor when I was all wet drying his floors.

For him to come at me months later for some payment that is false cause he is angry is just wrong and I will not pay him,you can interprit this how you want, but people out there know that my word is bond.

as for your budget, how bout feeding your daughter instead of buying so much freaken marijuana for a change, I always wondered why she is so skinny and your so fat, you know I really hate to bring family into this but you shouldnt have brought mine out.

Again thank you all for your support, and I stress that you never deal with this guy, cause you might be the one having to defend yourself from his worthless accusations, do not and I really mean do not deal with Bill Bergovoy.

thanks,

Albert


PS for the mods: Everyone heard his side and now you heard mine, and I think we all had an assfull of this and cut this drama in the nub. I feel I have defended myself enough and shouldn't have to see another worthless thread about me from this guy, please do what you guys have to do. Thanks
 
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so he helped you in your time of need and you helped him bill. so lets leave it as you both helped each other out. we are in this hobby to make friends and to learn. It seems like glock has a great history with other people and find it hard to belive he wronged you. So let all get along and both of you should shake hands and have a beer and leave it in the past.
 
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Isn't it JUST amazing how both of them....see it so completly different??? learn one thing ppl..if you THINK you should pay for something...then DO IT...don't let them put you off...it will ALWAYS come back to bit you in the BUTT!!!
 
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