First time reef build -75g w/45g sump

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I like to read. One day while reading a magazine I exhausted all the freshwater content and decided to read back through it and hit the saltwater content. First thing I read was about pistol/goby pairs. I had to learn more. Enter Reef Central. While many of you are making faces at me now, I'll have you know that the massive backlog of old threads are a wonderful place for someone like me. I search something interesting and can click through pages and pages of opinions and facts on a particular subject. I began planning how too turn my then discus tank into a saltwater tank.


It's a terrible picture, but you get the idea of their colors. They were gorgeous!

Anyway I read a thread there on local fish stores. Enter Jason's Tropical Reef Fish Store! I basically went there to check it out. Look at livestock in person and such. I wasn't disappointed. Jason was super helpful and full of advice, including Socalireefs. There was someone else there I talked to who is a member here, forgive me I don't remember your name :a03:
My husband helped me build a stand. We used plans developed by an engineer on RC. Neither of us are particularly adept at building things with wood, so we probably wasted a little more materials and did things a little harder than another with experience would have.

The doors are mounted with drawer slides. I'm sure it's not that big of a leap for most of you to make, but for Johnny and me it was a break through. We wracked our little brains trying to think of a way to mount doors that would slide smoothly across the front. The 'aha!' moment was satisfying.

Johnny says we could park my car on it. I feel pretty good about it.


With the stand built I hit a snag. We had a chance to buy a house so we jumped on it. Reef tank on hold. Bought house. Renovated house extensively. New paint all over, new carpet, tear down nasty popcorn ceiling, install 2 new toilets, new water heater, run plumbing for washing machine to be inside instead of outside under house (seriously, wtf?). We sort of sat for a week or two in a kind of catatonic state after that. And then my husband that I love dearly said to me, "so what do you need to finish that tank?" So I ordered a glass hole saw, he bought me plumbing parts and glass for baffles and overflow and I started poking holes in my tank.

The first hole plug. :peace:


The water corraling contraption.


And the first hole! :dance: I was very proud. It only took me 1 hour and 45 minutes. Ya. I have since discovered that going as fast as my little drill will go is ok after I get the initial groove and that still only got me down to about 30 minutes. I also had a hole that took me 2 hours. :yuck: I suspect that my drill bit is of inferior quality.

Sump baffles were easy, and the first thing I've ever done with silicone. I got some little bubbles but I'm not terribly upset about them.


And the finished sump!


Figuring out how to prop up the glass for the overflow was fun stuff. The bottom of the box wasn't so bad, but how to hold the front piece in place while siliconing? I pulled out the tape measure. I needed something 3 and 7/8" tall. haha. I started measureing things in the room. A small jelly jar that I was using to hold water turned out to be exactly that.



I also pressed my tea mug into service.


And my epic siliconing job.


That's all the reef stuff for now! This is my other tank ;)
 

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Great stuff Molli and congrats on the house and the tank. The other person in jasons shop that day was me. I was happy to see that you had made your way to socali. What do you have planned next? What are you going to try and keep with your new setup. BTW your other tank and fish were beautiful

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Thank you, we do love our house!
So sorry I forgot your name. I was distracted by all the shinys in the shop.
I've had the freshwater 75 for almost 2 years now. I doesn't look like that since the move, but it'll grow back.
I already have a fish list ;)

1 pair male and female (hopefully) firefish
1 pair male and female Yellow watchman Goby
1 White banded possum wrasse
1-2 pistol shrimp
1 mandarin goby

The bottom of the stand is open for pistol/goby tunnel viewing :D
 

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Sounds great. I look forward to seeing the progress.

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I've been working again! I've never done any plumbing in my life, thankfully it's not that tough. I guess we'll see how tough it is when I actually get to leak test it :blink: But before we get on the shoddy plumbing pics, remember how pleased with myself I was for finding the perfect sized jelly jars to hold up my overflow glass? They're the perfect size alright... to never come out again. The trim of the tank wouldn't allow them to scoot out, and being the perfect size I coudln't tip them to slide them out. Husband's answer? SMASH!

He stuck a glove behind them because he was worried flying glass could shatter the overflow. hehe :) He didn't let me empty the water from the one with water in it. I was going to, went and got the lil airline hose and was on the way back down the stairs... SMASH SMASH SMASH. Hmm, guess I don't need the hose anymore.
The aftermath:

Poor little jelly jars. They were so hard working. They made the trip out from Arkansas when I moved out here, with jelly in them that my mother made! I'll have to ask her for more ;)
Here is what my overflow looks like from the front. I made it too wide I think, but at least I can stick my hand in it and move around. Good for cleaning.

And the bulkheads

The expensive spa-flex that I was loathe to cut at all.

The first cut. Yes I get overly excited about every phase of my build and take a picture. Does it show?

Here we are a bit later (and lots of fumes, though properly vented by fan out the window) I'm having trouble routing the return pump hoses without binding them up. I'm worried the stress on the bulkhead of the sump and the plastic housing of the pump will over time cause stress fractures or something. Am I over thinking it? The hose wants to curl, that's what is creating the binding.

And last, here is my return dohicky.

And the unrelated picture. Smudge lost interest in me finally and found her own entertainment.
 

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Looks like you coming along nicely. Spa flex wants to retain its original shape that why it curls. If you have a heat gun you can heat it then shape it the way you like and hold it in place while it cools. It wont hold the exact shape but will be a lot better. If you have any plumbing questions Lmk I have years of experience with al kinds of irrigation so pvc and flex are no worries to me.

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Do you think the stress of the want for it to curl could crack the pump housing or the glass around the sump bulkhead in the future? I did sink the worst of the curls in hot water and got them to relax a little bit, but they're still quite stubborn.
 

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Depends on the angle they are at. Breaking glass no but stressing the bulkhead might ne a problem in the future. Can you take some pics of the area your concerned about

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well actually it's the run from the bulkhead to the return pump I'm most worried about. My husband wants it closer to the wall, but that's the tightest curve I can get out of it. It's not glued yet, in case there is a solution I haven't thought of. The only thing different that I need to add is a ball valve before the pump (just so I can shut off the water to clean the pump later).

The return line up to the tank is in a bind as well, but I can attach it to the stand to transfer the force I think. The stress there is mostly on the pump housing and the ball valve that attaches to the hard pvc return line (out of the edge of the picture)

You can sort of see in the picture how I worked around the curl problem by cutting the drain hoses in the middle, I turned the second half so that the curl was going the opposite direction and reconnected them with a coupler. I hope that isn't a bad thing. I was kinda proud of it. I still need to do it on the last hose, but doesn't have to be under the water since it's the dry emergency pipe, so not as big of a deal.
 

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You could make that section out of sch 40 and then tuck it right up against the stand. You would have to use a 90 right after the bulkhead though. It should not cause that much friction loss.

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There were two reasons for using the spa flex on the return pump, one was noise and vibration, the other was to avoid a 90 elbow, because I read that you should never put a 90 before the return pump because of cavitation? so does it only matter with that if the 90 is closer to the pump then?
 
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Looking good so far..... I remember starting out with a canister filter for filtration then went to a sump with skimmer and remote refugium.
 

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There were two reasons for using the spa flex on the return pump, one was noise and vibration, the other was to avoid a 90 elbow, because I read that you should never put a 90 before the return pump because of cavitation? so does it only matter with that if the 90 is closer to the pump then?
Well I don't really see it a a problem. You could do the same thing buy using 2 street 45's it will give you a 90 degree but in a softer bend. You should have no problems with that at all.
 

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The solution to the binding issue and allowing the whole thing to be closer to the wall. I removed the spa flex going from the sump to the pump and replaced it with regular pvc, except for about 1/3 of it.


Glued and ready to go!


After all the gluing had sat for 24 hours, I decided it was time for the dreaded leak test. So I pulled the hose in from outside, attached a nozzle and turned on the water. I figured since I had a nozzle I could just turn on the water full blast because I could close it from inside without having to dash outside to turn it off when things got full. Anyone see where this is headed? By the time I made it back to the front door the hose had flipped out of the tank and was doing the crazy snake dance all over the downstairs. I didn't get any pictures because I was too busy wrestling crazy hyper snake hose back into the tank and then cleaning up the mess. Husband was outside digging a trench around the house, so luckily I got it cleaned up in time to think of a funny story type explanation for the damp carpet smell before he came back inside to ask how it was going. Now that I've got my first flood story out of the way... Here's the water right before filling the overflow.

By the way, the hose on full blast filled my 75g that full in about 7 minutes. The hose blasted the room for about 2 minutes. I don't even want to think about how much water that was. Many towels. Many, many towels. Anywho, the only leak I had was the emergency drain bulkhead. I tightened and loosened it and removed it 4-5 times before getting lucky and finding some kind of 'sweet spot'. The leak is very small now, but still there! I can't figure out why it leaks. Weirdly it's the only pipe I can easily remove if I really needed to. I'm hoping salt creep or mineral deposits will seal it eventually. The drains work exactly like they're supposed to! I don't know why I'm surprised, I copied a well known design that has been proved to work. lol
With the leak test finished, I can play with my rockwork! woot!

What do you guys think? Critique? The tower on the left is for a future anenome hopefully, failing that I'll put some fast growing thing there that would otherwise take over all the rockwork if it weren't isolated. On that note, if I put pulsing xenia on that rock, can it spread anywhere else or is it isolated there?
 
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