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does anyone use IO salt? purple bucket in particular?

i've been getting a copper reading in my DT lately, along with some other unwanted crap like a high level of zinc. i just kind of chalked it up to something i was dosing. i checked pumps/magnets all that fun stuff and didn't find anything. so a couple weeks ago, after a triton test confirmed some unwanted metals, i ran cuprisorb hoping that'd get rid of it. i tested it today with my hanna copper checker and got 0.06. so still not 0

i suddenly had the idea, maybe my dumbass should test my source water. i've been doing several water changes the last couple weeks trying to get nutrients down, and sure enough my freshly mixed saltwater had a reading of 0.14 copper

to narrow it down further, i checked my RODI water (apparently the hanna copper checker works in freshwater) and got 0.00.

so the problem is firmly in my saltwater mixing brute trashcan. the only thing in there is a single tunze powerhead (less than a year old) and the water. no heater. i took out the tunze and checked it for any sign of magnet failure, but it looks fine

making things worse, this most recent batch of saltwater is using mostly a brand new bucket of IO salt, which i'm having to suspect is the source of the problem

i've loved me some IO salt for quite awhile, but if this is two bad batches of salt with freaking copper of all things in it, i'm gonna have to find a new salt. but i'm also curious if anyone else has run into this particular issue lately. the two buckets of IO i purchased were at different times, both from chewy if memory serves, so i'd assume if this is an IO wide thing others would be having issues
 

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What kind of side effects would one see with unwanted levels of zinc or copper?

I've been using IO salt for years and still currently do but don't test exclusively for zinc or copper. Always wanted to try an ICP test to see but hasn't been on my priority list since everything looks fine visually...
 
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Salt is cheep, buy another brand, mix it up and test.
tropic Marin classic on the way next week


What kind of side effects would one see with unwanted levels of zinc or copper?

I've been using IO salt for years and still currently do but don't test exclusively for zinc or copper. Always wanted to try an ICP test to see but hasn't been on my priority list since everything looks fine visually...
idk, maybe some low level of it is fine, but 0.14 seems like a lot. I’ve had some issues with stn on acros so maybe this is the cause

I first did a test on icp analysis and their results were all messed up, they gave me ppb. Then I did a triton test and it showed yellow levels of copper, then I tested the copper myself. Either way I guess I’ll find out when the tm gets here next week
 
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Man all I use on my 150 is RC. Here my icp results for zinc & copper

Zeros on both.

Have you checked all you pumps and magnets. Even check the impeller and the housing it sits into for and slight cracks. Even the smallest scratch in the motor could be a crack and being that the impeller is spinning the water so fast inside the motor block you will never get signs of rust cause the metals won’t sit long enough to stain the plastic.
 
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TestL145980541_Results (3).jpeg

that was my results earlier this year, no zinc but 0.1 ppm copper

then i did another test recently and icp analysis f'ed it up and listed everything in ppb

TestL145980541_Results (2).jpeg


they said they'd fix it, but didn't. so whatever, i had a triton test sitting around and sent that in

https://www.triton-lab.de/en/showroom/icp-oes/119049

it had copper in the low yellow range, but zinc off the scale red

so i tested copper myself with my hanna checker and then added cuprisorb somewhere in there

then yesterday tested it again with hanna and got 0.06

i wasn't even suspecting the salt, so i didn't test source water until yesterday when i tested a fresh batch of saltwater and it was 0.14. i can't test zinc at home, so i'm just kind of lumping them together

hanna has a +- error range of 0.05 so it could just be off a bit, but the zinc thing worries me, so i ordered metabsorb

this also spans 2 buckets of IO, i'm mixing a 5g bucket of the newest bucket right now and will test in a bit

i did check pumps and everything and they all looked fine, nothing on my tank is really even that old, at most a year old for all of it, but i do acknowledge that was where i was leaning until i tested my fresh saltwater
 
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Would not trust icp analysis results. They send bogus results and will be very rude about it. I was told my salinity was over 50ppt one time
yeah this whole thing started with them. i got a bunch of free tests of theirs awhile back and was skeptical too

but then i sent in the triton one, which afaik, should be believed to a certain extent. and idk how well the hanna checker does at lower ranges of copper testing, but it seems to give fairly consistent results

assuming fresh saltwater is in the range of 0.17 to 0.14 somewhere in there, then both tanks i'm running cuprisorb so it ends up in the 0.05-0.06 range, which kinda makes sense

either way.. can i just have no copper lol

and i've been doing large weekly water changes lately since i let my nutrients got hog wild since i had dinos, so i just keep fighting an uphill battle every week essentially

it'll be interesting to see what the hanna says when i get the tropic marin
 
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Have you tested your fresh made ro/di water without salt?
All those icp results are signs of heavy metals.
Any copper fittings or your ro/di unit?
Maybe a copper stopper on the float valve?
 

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OR you can look on the bright side and add a little more copper and qt all new fish in your reef tank. Lol...jk. but seriously, this is a head scratcher. But now that i mentioned qt, no quarantine tank in the general vicinity? If fish diseases can travel via aerosol, maybe copper can also? Just thinking out loud 🤔
 
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Have you tested your fresh made ro/di water without salt?
All those icp results are signs of heavy metals.
Any copper fittings or your ro/di unit?
Maybe a copper stopper on the float valve?
yeah I tested rodi and it was 0.00, no copper fittings

hmm I’d have to check the float valve


OR you can look on the bright side and add a little more copper and qt all new fish in your reef tank. Lol...jk. but seriously, this is a head scratcher. But now that i mentioned qt, no quarantine tank in the general vicinity? If fish diseases can travel via aerosol, maybe copper can also? Just thinking out loud 🤔
haha nah no fish qt for many months for me and the last few I did was hybrid ttm
 

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I just got the email from ATI that they received my water samples and will be testing them in the next 2 days. I will post my copper results here since i also use IO.
So this is weird. No copper but my aluminum is through the roof and I have no idea what could be leaching it except the marine pure bio blocks 🤔
 
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i sent IO an email asking about it and they said it's low level, "0.015" so "i'm fine"

idk if that's PPM or PPB or what

i decided to send off an ICP analysis test of my coral qt tank. the only thing shared between that and my DT is the sourcewater, so if both are high in copper and zinc then it's gotta be the source water, but if it's a pump or magnet or something, then just my DT will be high.

idk what's an acceptable level of copper, seems it's a trace element so it is in natural seawater and also synthetic salts, but yet most people have 0 on their icp tests..

metabsorb should get here today and i'm gonna give the equipment another check
 
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