What's the difference between in CREE xpe-xre-xpg LED?

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I just found out the interesting information, so I would share in here. IMO, I won't buy the non CREE LED lighting in the future when I read this information.

People are still using XR-E but every year CREE has something new it seems. XP-G and now XM-L.

Here is some data on the 3 main CREE models. The XR-E Q5 CW, the XP-G R5 CW, and the XM-L T6 Cool White

As you can tell, the new models use less power but put out more light. In the long run, they will be cheaper than the older models.



As you can see from the above graph, as more amperage is used, there is less and less light given out by the older CREE models. The XR-E Q5 at 1 amp puts out only 67% of what the XP-G CW would at 1amp and only 60% of what the XM-L CW. That means you have to use almost twice the number of XR-E CW to match an XM-L cool white. This is not taking into consideration how much voltage you have to pump into that little XR-E just to get 60% of the XM-L light which is show below.



You can tell quickly by the graph as the amperage goes up, the XR-E uses much more voltage than the XP-G and XM-L. At 1 amp, the XR-E uses 3.7v which is 10% more than the XP-G and a whopping 23% more than the XM-L. That means if you have a 48V driver running at 1mp you can only put 12 XR-E CW or 14 XP-G CW or 16 XM-L CW. That means for the same cost of powering 12 XR-E CW which give you 2824.8 lumen you could be powering 16 XM-L CW which would give you 6208 lumens. See how quickly this adds up? Less power, more light, that is what LEDs are all about. This is why efficiency is so important. Every minute you have a non efficient LED wired up, it is costing you money.

Now this is just the CREE LEDs. Other non CREE LEDs are often much less efficient than the oldest CREE LED
 
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The only part I don't understand is why people think that as the LEDs become more efficient, they will come down in price.

And why would you want to swap to the XM-L versus the xp-g I am assuming you have now?
 

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i though lumes were not important when it comes to coral growth. its PAR you after. lumes is only visable light to humans.
 

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I think he is thinking the new leds use less energy to accomplish the same thing, the older models did at 28% more energy.

Well that's what I gathered from his read.
 
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I always like the new technology. You want to buy the new model not the old one when it's out of your pocket like people changing new car/model. Lol

The only part I don't understand is why people think that as the LEDs become more efficient, they will come down in price.

And why would you want to swap to the XM-L versus the xp-g I am assuming you have now?
 
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I've not received my fixture yet. I want to see if they can install the new XM-L LED for my fixture before they send to me.

The only part I don't understand is why people think that as the LEDs become more efficient, they will come down in price.

And why would you want to swap to the XM-L versus the xp-g I am assuming you have now?
 
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meh... it's like... this new phone... has like, all the 6G stuff... and like... dials aliens with this cool app... and it's like... the newestess thing evAr!...



none of that new stuff is really impressive... those are just minor upgrades to the led's itself... if they were to say that they have a single LED with 400PAR at 18" of water that has a 4' square light coverage and only runs on 10W... then that's when we all should switch over to that new fancy technology... so far, led's is nothing but a glimpse of what we expect come... maybe... you never know... some kind of organic light source might come and be moar winz than LED's or plasmas... but until then... those graphs don't really mean much...

they should do long term research and document how a simple acropora does under all sorts of LED's and different types of lighting under the same PAR levels... then we can compare what is really worth the aesthetics/hype/trend/investment in our tanks...















amirite...¿
 

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Amen hallelujah my brother!!!!


I wish I had an led lighting company!!!

These scum bags make a fixture with no proof it keeps corals at optimum levels. They just know it doesn't kill them and will keep them alive.

It's like you... going to dinner at a fancy restaurant and they give you a 1$ meal. Poorly made, poor nutrition but it fed you.

These cats when asked at conventions " okay where do I place this?" no answer. What companies? Name em I went to all the big names a few times.

What is the true par? How proven to grow high par demanding coral is this thing??? Ya here's a chart now get out of here. Bs.

Leds work but with a good
Kick of proven lighting.
 
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so LED emitters with neat names are becoming more effecient and proliferating like rabbits ?!?!

IMO, efficiency is not as important as effectiveness. Its not like my tank is on the space shuttle and I need to save every last amp... to choose between life support and hydroponics.

does the LED array have the complete spectrum of natural sunlight? does it target all the photosynthetic pigments from inverts at the top of the reef as well as those 30m down? does it have the same depth penetration below 30 inches as a 400w MH lamp?
 
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The only part I don't understand is why people think that as the LEDs become more efficient, they will come down in price.
I know this is an old thread but I wanted to comment on this particular quote.

LED's are experiencing a similar efficiency improvement curve as microprocessors have been experiencing the last several decades. They are getting smaller, brighter, and more efficient. Prices are currently dropping 50% every three years and price drops are expected to accelerate as more lighting moves to LED technology. In a matter of years LEDs will replace all fluorescent and incandescent lighting (according the the Department of Energy, which is underwriting LED research and development). The DoE recently handed out a $50 million prize to Phillips for developing a 50 watt incandescent replacement bulb that exceeded 90 lumens/watt efficiency.

Put simply... have you priced an LED big screen TV lately? They are selling for less than 20% of what they were selling for 5 years ago... if you could find them with the same size and resolution.
 
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XPG's and XRE's already are strong and bleach coral and can fry coral when used in conjunction with nice lenses. Thats why people who have AI's dial them down.
 

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