Neptune Apex - not fit for purpose and appaling customer service.

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If someone came to me and told me they were not happy with their chili dog, and I told them "sure I'll take it and give you your money bac...and their response is. "Oh, well I ate the whole thing"

Obviously I would apologize, BUT I would NOT give them their money back.
Every time I have a problem with my order I take it back and they give me a new/correct one and still tell me to keep the one I have. Then that one tastes good because it's free! Marine depot sent me a bucket of salt by accident, I tried to be a good guy and let them know but I also told them they had to schedule a pick up, they just told me to go ahead and keep it for free. Best salt ever.


that was the same thought I had.. free chili dogs
I just went to get some, been on my mind all day lol
 
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Every time I have a problem with my order I take it back and they give me a new/correct one and still tell me to keep the one I have. Then that one tastes good because it's free! Marine depot sent me a bucket of salt by accident, I tried to be a good guy and let them know but I also told them they had to schedule a pick up, they just told me to go ahead and keep it for free. Best salt ever.




I just went to get some, been on my mind all day lol
Here's how big of a d*** I am. If I went to a fast food joint and they effed up my order. I've take the food back told them to give me a refund I now longer want to support this establishment. Then tell them there's a reason they make minimum wage ,cause your a Gdam idiot to not get an order right. This is the reason for the refund.

And yes I've done this multiple time. I believe stupid people need to be told there a bloody idiot.
 
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A few off topic points here-

1. Everyone likes to make fun of the woman who spilled coffee on her lap an sued mcdonalds. Citing it as an example of sue happy jerks. The truth is actually very different.i encourage all of you to watch this amazing documentary on that specific case and the finer points of tort reform. http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp
2. I really want a chilli dog right now. Like for super serious.

On topic-
I worked for many years for a company that makes fancy pants equipment for the aquarium. I was the one who for the most part handled any warranty issues when they came up. If the warranty was 12 months and someone called me and said a ballast went out after 14 months for the most part I would just take care of it for them.
However at least once I week I would have someone trying to scam me. No joke. Sometimes a few a week. Here's a few examples from the many instances:
A customer calls angry and yelling that a light fixture after 4 months has stopped working. Yells at me how they spent good money and they expect it to work yada yada yada. I send a call tag to pick up the light on my dime so I can repair or replace it. Keep in mind the shipping costs me around $50 for a 48 inch four bulb T5 for example. One way. I get the fixture back, open the box and the fixture is covered in salt, water pours out when I tilt the fixture. Obviously they dropped it in the aquarium. I call them up and they deny they got any water on it at all. Angrily they still demand I replace it. At least once a week this would happen. Lol lots of people drop aquarium equipment in the water and then try to hustle me. They threaten me they will blast me and my company on all the forums if I don't replace a fixture they dropped in the water, that they won't even admit they dropped in the water! Lol

Another good one that happened every few months is someone would buy a used fixture on craigslist/eBay/forums etc. they would then call me and tell me they bought a new fixture and it was damaged, broken, etc. I would send a call tag to pick it up. Another $50 shipping that I eat. I get the fixture back. I can tell by looking at it by subtle differences that it is a 2-5 year old fixture. The "angry" customer does not realize that the serial number tells me the production date as well as the date it was sold to a specific store. I see it is a four year old used fixture. The "customer" is just trying to hustle me for a new fixture in exchange for a new one.

This stuff happens all the time. Do you know how much money these jerks cost the company?

Many many more examples I could give but I won't.

Don't misunderstand pilot I've met you and you are a good dude and I'm not trying to insinuate that you did anything shady. My point with all this is that sometimes a person who handles these claims can get jaded and if they are not careful they begin to look at every customer interaction as a potential ripoff. That's unfortunate. Luckily I never got to that point but I've seen it in others.
It's funny because there were some customers I got to know by name because for some reason they would call me every four months wanting a new co2 regulator for example because they would refuse to use a check valve and salt would clog the solonoid. Lol then they deny it when I would call them out on it.

Anyways I'm sure it sucks what you are going through but just thought I would offer a different perspective.
 

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Here's how big of a d*** I am. If I went to a fast food joint and they effed up my order. I've take the food back told them to give me a refund I now longer want to support this establishment. Then tell them there's a reason they make minimum wage ,cause your a Gdam idiot to not get an order right. This is the reason for the refund.

And yes I've done this multiple time. I believe stupid people need to be told there a bloody idiot.
Awww, that's like kicking a dog. They just don't know any better lol. But It does get me worked up when I tell them my order is wrong and they act like it's my fault. Then I go off lol
 
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A few off topic points here-

1. Everyone likes to make fun of the woman who spilled coffee on her lap an sued mcdonalds. Citing it as an example of sue happy jerks. The truth is actually very different.i encourage all of you to watch this amazing documentary on that specific case and the finer points of tort reform. http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp
2. I really want a chilli dog right now. Like for super serious.

On topic-
I worked for many years for a company that makes fancy pants equipment for the aquarium. I was the one who for the most part handled any warranty issues when they came up. If the warranty was 12 months and someone called me and said a ballast went out after 14 months for the most part I would just take care of it for them.
However at least once I week I would have someone trying to scam me. No joke. Sometimes a few a week. Here's a few examples from the many instances:
A customer calls angry and yelling that a light fixture after 4 months has stopped working. Yells at me how they spent good money and they expect it to work yada yada yada. I send a call tag to pick up the light on my dime so I can repair or replace it. Keep in mind the shipping costs me around $50 for a 48 inch four bulb T5 for example. One way. I get the fixture back, open the box and the fixture is covered in salt, water pours out when I tilt the fixture. Obviously they dropped it in the aquarium. I call them up and they deny they got any water on it at all. Angrily they still demand I replace it. At least once a week this would happen. Lol lots of people drop aquarium equipment in the water and then try to hustle me. They threaten me they will blast me and my company on all the forums if I don't replace a fixture they dropped in the water, that they won't even admit they dropped in the water! Lol

Another good one that happened every few months is someone would buy a used fixture on craigslist/eBay/forums etc. they would then call me and tell me they bought a new fixture and it was damaged, broken, etc. I would send a call tag to pick it up. Another $50 shipping that I eat. I get the fixture back. I can tell by looking at it by subtle differences that it is a 2-5 year old fixture. The "angry" customer does not realize that the serial number tells me the production date as well as the date it was sold to a specific store. I see it is a four year old used fixture. The "customer" is just trying to hustle me for a new fixture in exchange for a new one.

This stuff happens all the time. Do you know how much money these jerks cost the company?

Many many more examples I could give but I won't.

Don't misunderstand pilot I've met you and you are a good dude and I'm not trying to insinuate that you did anything shady. My point with all this is that sometimes a person who handles these claims can get jaded and if they are not careful they begin to look at every customer interaction as a potential ripoff. That's unfortunate. Luckily I never got to that point but I've seen it in others.
It's funny because there were some customers I got to know by name because for some reason they would call me every four months wanting a new co2 regulator for example because they would refuse to use a check valve and salt would clog the solonoid. Lol then they deny it when I would call them out on it.

Anyways I'm sure it sucks what you are going through but just thought I would offer a different perspective.
I get your point of view and if they had dealt with it like you said you would have then I would have been more than happy - even a compromise of you cover the shipping and we'll fix it would have been more than adequate. They only need to check the serial number and previous ticket/RMA details to know when it was supplied to me.

It's the tough $hit, give us more money attitude that has annoyed me, especially as it the VP that has the biggest attitude in all this. The CS rep wasn't particularly great but he DID pass it up the line to try to resolve it when he got out of his depth/pay grade level for making it right.

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This kind of stuff is why companies go over seas.... people to to **** sue happy... always trying to get something for nothing.... it hasn't occurs tk you that the time wasted on this prob costs more then a normal days work... even at min wage...

Ill tell you what... ill buy your defective unit off you send it in for repairs then sell it to someone on the board who wont bit*h about it.

Repairing it yourself would open all kinds of liability issues..esp if Neptune gab you this info... you then repaird it incorrectly snd burned down your house..now, from what I get from this tread... you would then take them to court for giving you faulty or incorrect repair instructions which resulted in the loss of your house and belongings... haha
 
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This kind of stuff is why companies go over seas.... people to to **** sue happy... always trying to get something for nothing.... it hasn't occurs tk you that the time wasted on this prob costs more then a normal days work... even at min wage...

Ill tell you what... ill buy your defective unit off you send it in for repairs then sell it to someone on the board who wont bit*h about it.

Repairing it yourself would open all kinds of liability issues..esp if Neptune gab you this info... you then repaird it incorrectly snd burned down your house..now, from what I get from this tread... you would then take them to court for giving you faulty or incorrect repair instructions which resulted in the loss of your house and belongings... haha
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I chose to stand up and try and get things that are wrong changed.

If you want it you can have it for the cost of a new one, provided that you'll also buy that when it (likely) fails too as the fault is unlikely to have been fixed given Neptune's response or lack of...

Perhaps they should outsource to the east - none of my electronics from there have failed like this.

The EB8 has an inherent design fault and unless someone stands up to Neptune they will keep selling the substandard equipment and charge people to fix it.

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The EB8 has an inherent design fault and unless someone stands up to Neptune they will keep selling the substandard equipment and charge people to fix it.
i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, and i'm sure the judge is going to ask you the same thing.

"inherent design fault" has pretty big implications, meaning that if a device hasn't failed, it WILL (and in short order).

i'm not sure how you intend to prove that, especially when Neptune will be able to show that they've sold XXXX number of units, and have only had to warranty XXX.

i'm assuming you're gonna be subpoenaing neptune for their records, at which point, you're going to have to make your case to the judge before the subpoena is issued, and it also means Neptune will know exactly what you intend to do.

i don't think you can be as sneaky/stealthy as you think you can.
 
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i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, and i'm sure the judge is going to ask you the same thing.

"inherent design fault" has pretty big implications, meaning that if a device hasn't failed, it WILL (and in short order).

i'm not sure how you intend to prove that, especially when Neptune will be able to show that they've sold XXXX number of units, and have only had to warranty XXX.

i'm assuming you're gonna be subpoenaing neptune for their records, at which point, you're going to have to make your case to the judge before the subpoena is issued, and it also means Neptune will know exactly what you intend to do.

i don't think you can be as sneaky/stealthy as you think you can.
As I said before I have a previous occupation that required cases to be made and presented to courts. I have a good track record of winning because I PREPARE with facts. There are volumes of information freely available if you know where to look...

I am not revealing any details here or anywhere else until the court date about how I am preparing the case or the basis of my claim.

I assume that the 'anti's' here will refuse any free repair/fix/replacement from Neptune on principle?

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As I said before I have a previous occupation that required cases to be made and presented to courts. I have a good track record of winning because I PREPARE with facts. There are volumes of information freely available if you know where to look...

I am not revealing any details here or anywhere else until the court date about how I am preparing the case or the basis of my claim.

I assume that the 'anti's' here will refuse any free repair/fix/replacement from Neptune on principle?

PW
you are taking this VERY personally, rather than looking at the words on the screen.

you may have had previous experience, and you might have even won them in the past, however, the only responses i've heard to my legitimate concerns on the potential case has been met with "i'm not going to let you in on my secrete strategy".

that's the reason why i'm having a hard time accepting your claims at face value, is that you seem to have little experience with how the system ACTUALLY works, but instead, what hollywood and TV makes the court system LOOK like it works.

there is no "SURPRISE!" or "GOTCHA!" in a real trial. that's what the discovery phase is. you don't get surprise witnesses, everything you plan to hit the defendant with, you have to disclose during discovery, so that the defendant has sufficient time to gather their data and prepare their defense against your claim.

it's not an impromptu Judge Judy stuff where both parties just show up and it's a he said she said.
 

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Being as you seem extremely self righteous... perhaps a tiny bit intelligent... mostlythousanstubborn tho... I can break it down for you a few ways.

1. If this is such a wide spread issue and inherent flaw and/or defect since a whopping 4 cases have been reported why did you buy such a product?
2. You are extremely informed on the aspects of electrical design and tolerances... do you have an electrical engineering degree to make such assumptions and accusations?
3. in what statical standard of deviation do you think you fall under? 5 cases out of thousands sold?
4. It sounds as if you werent flowers and kittens when talking yo Neptune....jerks begit jerks
5. Its pretty simple.... if falls outside of warrenty!!!!!! Good freaken lord!!!!! Its like letting meat expire then returning it stating you were not able to consume it in the alotted time and demand a refund. You are making your issues the retailers...

Sounds like you're butt hurt and would rather waste all your time and lose sleep over something so simple... I hope you take it to court... now time to sit back and eat some popcorn and watch the fireworks.
 
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Sounds like you're butt hurt and would rather waste all your time and lose sleep over something so simple... I hope you take it to court... now time to sit back and eat some popcorn and watch the fireworks.
totally unrelated, but that's who i imagine home owner association people are.

retired people / jobless people who don't have anything better to do than make everyone else as miserable as they are.
 

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Also being a man of such standards and principals... why not sell the unit imsure someone will rid you of your burden. Then buy a reef keeper and see how nuch better that product is... or perhaps develop your own system to avoid any further issues...

If you stand on principals why are you still using the product? if it bothers u so much, why not box it up right yourself of it snd file your lawsuit?
 

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Wow you guys need to calm down. If I found a product that had a design flaw that I thought the company knew and chose to do nothing about I would stand up and DO SOMETHING! This is his argument. The details of how/where/what percent of units sold is irrelevant to you. The judge will decide. For now quit trolling.
 

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Wow you guys need to calm down. If I found a product that had a design flaw that I thought the company knew and chose to do nothing about I would stand up and DO SOMETHING! This is his argument. The details of how/where/what percent of units sold is irrelevant to you. The judge will decide. For now quit trolling.
How is it irrelevant to me if I own an apex and dealt with customer support and got the issue resolved in a timely and proper manner? Id like to know the percentage sold to the number faulty so I know when to expect my system to take a crap....

Just saying... if he didnt want responses shouldn't have put it on an open forum...

I have realistic expectations of electronics and understand nothing is forever...anything with electrical current has a finite life span... all those resistors, transistors, relays etc are mass produced and sometimes they fail prematurely...hence a warrenty... also there are so many factors to take into consideration...was it kept under the stand and exposed to water vapor? Humidity? Splashes? Excessive heat? Blah blah blah... in all honesty anything electrical is not a matter of if it fails... but more a matter of when it fails....

Lets be real here people..nothing is forever
 
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For now quit trolling.
i love trolling, but i swear to you this isn't me trolling.

the product is out of warranty, and as far as i can tell, there have been no examples of the EB8 failing before the warranty.

design flaw? it's a wear item. the outlets are switched power, with an electronically controlled relay. you do realize that a relay is a wear item, right? that over the life of the vehicle, you have to replace the relay several times?

I would love to hear/read from someone with more technical background on what the actual issue with the EB8 is. thus far, all i've got is that one outlet becomes unresponsive.

what have people tried?
 

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But we have not done the leg work that wolf supposedly has. There could be any number of reasons. The first one to mind would be the relays they use. Maybe the flaw was found in another application that Neptune is aware of and chose to continue using them. All of this is speculation.
 
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this shouldn't be that difficult of a request, especially if the problem is that prevalent.

can someone link a discussion to this problem?
 
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